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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    Oh boy....
    I thought I was fine. I ran each of the 3 Prime95 torture tests exactly like profJim proposed:
    First selecting the test to run, then setting the FFT range between 320K and 2864K.
    Each of the 3 tests was running for at least 3,5 hours without any worker errors or warnings.
    Sounds good but.....then I discovered the selecting of the min and max FFT range didn't work out.
    All tests ran with a random FFT range, ignoring the range of 320-2864K I selected!
    What am I doing wrong here?
    The Prime95 version I have is v28.7, build 1, at least that is what it says under 'Help' and 'About Prime95'....
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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    What we have here is a failure to communicate!!

    I don't know why you are getting numerous error messages in the Prime95 Main Thread window, but it might be due to not running Prime95 as an administrator. If you click on a Prime95 shortcut icon to start Prime95, right click on the icon and select Run As Administrator.

    OK, lets start over with a simple example.

    Looking at the default options for my Prime95 v28.5 we see:



    If I want to run the default Blend test, the grayed out Torture test settings show that the test will run with FFT sizes from 8K to 4096K. OK, fine so I start the Blend test and it runs great for six hours and then the poop hits the fan and I get a single worker error with FFT size = 2800K. In my infinite wisdom I decide to raise the DRAM voltage from 2.00 volts to 2.10 volts but I'm not sure that this will fix the error. The six hour test hammered on quite a few FFT sizes with no errors and I really don't want to repeat the Blend test and have and have it possibly fail after another long test. I'd rather run a much shorter test that hopefully won't fail with the FFT size that originally failed. What I'm going to do is hammer on the FFT size that failed for a shorter amount of time to see if the simple voltage tweak solves the problem. Let's see what happens when I use the following settings:



    The following results were run as a quick demo:



    OK, I cheated, I only ran the test for 12 minutes (just for this demo) and in that time each worker completed 8 (or 9)tests. If I ran this test for 60 minutes, each worker thread would have completed about 40 tests using the FFT size = 2800K.

    If there are no errors in the hour long test I'm reasonably confident that my bios tweak worked and I can rerun the Blend test using the Blend test defaults for eight hours and probably/hopefully there won't be any errors and I can move on to the other two eight hour Prime95 default tests.

    If I came back to my computer and found that the original Blend test had four different FFT size worker thread errors, then I would run a custom Blend test where the minimum and maximum FFT sizes would be based on the smallest and largest FFT sizes. Obviously this test would have to be longer than one hour because now we need to hammer on a much larger set of FFT sizes. If the smallest and largest failing FFT sizes were close to the minimum and maximum FFT sizes, then I'd make my bios adjustments and rerun the full eight hour default FFT test that had just failed.

    Clear as mud?

    BTW I double checked your test that failed and the failing FFT size was 2800K. Sorry 'bout that.
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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    You were right again, profJim!
    Simply double clicking the Prime95 icon just isn't good enough....I really need to 'run it as administrator'.
    Doing so, I don't get any error messages in the main thread window anymore plus Prime95 allows me to select the FFT range.

    Now I ran all 3 Prime95 tests again for at least 7 hours, completely, so without limiting any FFT range.
    This time without any errors or warnings, no worker failed on me!

    Now I'm just wondering if this is due to raising the DRAM voltage from 2.00 to 2.10 or if it might be a result of 'running Prime95 as administrator'....?
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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    Glad to hear that running Prime95 as an admin fixed the problem with the Main Thread window.
    On my systems I have only one user account which automatically makes it an admin account so I've never had the problem.

    Will your system prove to be error free in all Prime95 tests if you drop the DRAM voltage back to the 2.00 volt setting? Maybe yes, maybe no.

    HWiNFO reports the maximum DIMM voltage as 2.08 volts and this is well below the maximum recommended setting of 2.20 volts.
    Bottom line, don't worry, be happy.

    Here's what I recommend for a modest overclock:

    Always press CTRL + F1 at the main bios window before making changes.

    Code:
    CPU Clock Ratio ---------------- : [7x] 
    Fine CPU Clock Ratio ----------- : [+0.5] 
    CPU Frequency -------------- : 3.008 GHz (402x7.5)
    
    Performance Enhance ------------ : [Turbo] 
    (G)MCH Frequency Latch --------- : [400MHz] 
    System Memory Multiplier (SPD) - : [2.66D]
    Memory Frequency (Mhz) --------- : [1068]
    
    primary memory timings = 5-5-5-15
    
    tRFC -------------------- 52 --- : [66]
    
    Static tRead Value -------- 7 -- : [7]  <-- 8 might be needed for both memory channels if there is a boot problem
    
    
    CPU PLL ------------------------ : [1.59] <-- 1.57 might be OK, but keep this below 1.60
    MCH Core ------------ 1.100V --- : [AUTO] <-- 1.20 or slightly higher is OK, but should not be higher than about 1.32
    Include an ET6 advanced voltages screen-shot so that we can confirm that there are no over voltage settings.

    If these settings pass all Prime95 tests, we can increase the cpu multiplier to 8.0x and maybe even 8.5x.

    These are my 3.41GHz settings with my 8.5x cpu multiplier:

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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    What does CTRL+F1 actually do in the main bios window?

    402x7.5 doesn't equal 3008 but 3015 BTW.
    Therefore I entered 400x7.5 which equals exactly 3000 Mhz.....ok?
    This gets the RAM at exactly 1066 Mhz.
    Static tRead Value I put on 8 just to be on the safe side.
    All other settings like you proposed.

    Only there is no CPU PLL for me to change....not with this mainboard.

    BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)-et6-3-00-ghz-png


    So now I should Prime95 have its way with these settings for the next 3 nights...?
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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    Gigabyte has several hidden bios settings and pressing CTRL + F1 at the main bios window makes the hidden settings visible until you leave the bios.

    ET6 shows much less information with your motherboard and you don't have access to many bios options that are available in the higher end EP45 boards.

    In the past some users had problems with overclocking with Cpu Host Frequency = 400 MHz, this is why I suggested using 401 or 402 MHz. Using the (G)MCH Frequency Latch = 400 MHz with the Cpu Host Frequency less than 400 MHz, i.e. the D-memory strap shouldn't be used until the Cpu Host Frequency is 400MHz or higher. My math was a bit off because I was dealing with 401 or 402 MHz settings in my previous post.

    Run each of the Prime95 tests overnight, but only go on to the next test if there aren't any worker errors.
    With EIST and C-states enabled, it's possible that Prime95 might only have two of the four cpu threads running at 100%. Use HWiNFO's thread statistics to verify that all four threads are running at 100% during each test. I think that Task Manager's CPU Usage History will show if each cpu thread is running at 100%.

    Post several of the incrementally higher Cpu Termination, Cpu Vcore and MCH Core settings so that we know the size of the next several voltage increments.

    The voltages shown in ET6 are reasonable and it's possible that the Cpu Vcore or Cpu Termination settings might need to be slightly higher if there are any Prime95 worker errors.
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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    I wouldn't go any higher than 400 with this board, my EP43-UD3L walled at 411, there Is no reason to add chance of chipset limitation.
    I would go with 7.5x400 to test bus setting, those 2MHz not going to make a difference..
    Could be hidden settings in this board, but I don't believe there are any in M.I.T.
    VTT has only 0.1v increment I believe as it on low end boards like the EP43-UD3L
    I would also run the blend settings only, customized to use all available memory minus 100MB or so, possibly with min FFT 128k as the potential culprits would be memory and bus settings.
    Note that test time on latest Prime95 is only 3 minutes when it was 15 on older versions

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    Default Re: BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)

    7.5x400 looks like this in Prime95 @ Small FFT's:

    BIOS tweaking or best BIOS settings GA-P43-ES3G (rev. 1.1)-smallfft-3-00-ghz-jpg

    I'm still a little insecure about the huge temp differences between the cores.
    Although I noticed that my son's recently installed Q9550 has the same issue.
    With both CPU's I was really meticulous about installing the heatsink, 'tinting' both heatsink and cpu cap with Arctic Silver 5 and applying Arctic Silver 5 for Core2 Quad cpu's as described on their website....
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