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    Default Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    CPU: Intel Q8200 Core 2 Quad @ 2.33Ghz
    RAM: Crucial 4x4GB DDR3 CL-11 1.35v
    MOBO: GA-EP45T-DS3R

    I am in desperate need of 16GB for AOSP work and other builds...and while I'm at it a little easy OC would be fine too.

    At moment I'm in "bad ram hell". Of two RAM shipments (crucial and Amazon) only 1 of 4 worked. The others failed memtest in seconds...plugged in all by themselves.

    Before I start returning RAM I want to know what options are left.

    A few questions first:

    1. Does the EP45T-DS3R support XPM?d
    2. Does Crucial support XPM?
    3. Given I can't even memtest with single chips that appear bad (always used first socket though)...what is there to do except get good ram?
    Or is there a reason a chip might need to be in slot 2 instead of 1?

    Help will be much appreciated.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    Got 2 more strips of same and....memtest has been running for over an hour!

    The only difference in memtest passing seemed to be fact I bumped up voltage a tad per instructions. Then again as I have all 4 strips in there's no other choice really.

    I'll let memtest burn in another hour or so and then I'll start some of OC process.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    Welcome to the forum.

    A web search using: xmp memory will provide a lot of useful information.
    For example, Corsair User's Guide:http://www.corsair.com/media/cms/manual/Using_XMP.pdf

    The Gigabyte website for your EP45T-DS3R does not claim XMP support, but their compatible memory QVL has a column with XMP as the header and a few of the fastest memory kits in the list have a check mark in the XMP column.

    Page 42 in your motherboard user manual has the following bios setting:
    Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.)(Note)
    Allows the BIOS to read the SPD data on XMP memory module(s) to enhance memory performance when enabled.
    • Disabled -- Disables this function. (Default)
    • Profile1 -- Uses Profile 1 settings.
    • Profile2 -- Uses Profile 2 settings

    (Note)This item appears only if you install a memory module that supports this feature.

    Memory compatibility is a must and you will probably need to find kits where the memory manufacturer has a list of memory kits that are/were compatible with your motherboard. It is unlikely that modern DDR3 memory kits will work well with your older system hardware.

    Use the forum's Advanced Search feature (near the upper right top corner of forum web pages) using EP45T as the search keyword and select the Search Thread Titles Only option. You will be able to look at quite a few threads and see many of the difficulties when using DDR3 memory. Many had to lower the memory speed initially and then work there way higher. With 4 x 4 GB of ram it will probably not be easy.

    Sorry to sound so negative but you have a difficult challenge trying to use 4 x 4 GB of higher speed DDR3 memory with an older LGA775 system.
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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    I am following vendors PRINTED specs fairly religiously I think. I am merely trying to build out a system per its specs...not trying to get anything that s/not be there.

    "The Gigabyte website for your EP45T-DS3R does not claim XMP support"

    Actually it does and this is in the mobo manual. The only qualification is having memory which supports XMP...and Gigabyte conveniently left off 4GB suppliers making it a fairly difficult thing to ferret out. Gigabyte shows in numerous manual pages the presence of a "XMP" bios setting and some pretty knowledgeable tweakers on this forum and others have stated to effect "you don't see this option you screwed up your bios upgrade or cmos clearing".

    Gigabyte also claims to fully support DDR3 16GB (via 4x4) on their mobo as well and Crucial backs this up. With this being said...they of course list ZERO 4gb RAM suppliers in their "memory support" page and seem to contradict their mobo manual in everything printed on their web site instead lowering max to 8GB overall than 16GB.

    Admittedly as I'm on a P45 system those posts are old...but hey this IS older hw so I kinda expected this.

    This particular XMP pdf link you give I hadn't hit yet, thanks.

    I'm not discouraged because I'm not seeing the same difficulty in getting this working (famous last words, yes) nor the pages you refer to...and yes I have searched on my mobo type...will certainly check again.

    Thanks again for info.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    On EP45T I only get 3 hits on search title and one has no responses.
    Given my primary want was for 16gb I didn't see anything there really directly relating to this.

    You state "It is unlikely that modern DDR3 memory kits will work well with your older system hardware." Is there anything that is changed with newer DDR3 vs. older strips? Or does this really all come down to "16gb isn't a drop-in and may take more work than you would like".

    Again my main desire was 16GB ram for AOSP and some other "big builds" and didn't really come down to OCg.

    Perhaps tomorrow I will post my "16gb settings" BIOS profile so it can be examined for any "wtf??" values I put in. Not many changes though.

    Thanks again for assist.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    A web search using: what causes computer memory incompatibility should provide useful information.

    One problem is that memory manufacturers seldom or don't test newer memory kits for compatibility with old motherboards. Some memory kits are listed as compatible with somewhat older systems but it's unlikely that recent memory kits will work with much older systems. Sometimes memory kit chip density causes problems, e.g. single sided versus double sided chips.

    One very important bios setting is MCH Core voltage. This setting varies with how many memory modules are installed and how many gigabytes are used. MCH Core settings that are too high or too low can cause boot loop problems and/or instability. There aren't hard and fast rules and the correct setting can be different for two "similar" kits where each kit comes from a different manufacturer.
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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    If you got your 16GB stable, could you please Post the module numbers/info that worked for you. I have a similar board (GA-43T-ES3G) and Ordered just a 8GB pair from Crucial, the first pair I had to raise my MCH voltage to 1.2V to get it to not hang the one stick checked bad so I had to RMA, waiting for new set now.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    One problem is that memory manufacturers seldom or don't test newer memory kits for compatibility with old motherboards. Some memory kits are listed as compatible with somewhat older systems but it's unlikely that recent memory kits will work with much older systems. Sometimes memory kit chip density causes problems, e.g. single sided versus double sided chips.
    This sounds like a lot of fun to diagnose!

    I had to stop for a bit as the reason for going to 16GB (with existing system if poss.) was to build Android from scratch. Once I saw my Q8200 was missing the VT feature...time for a new cpu. With VT the extra RAM will at least go to good use.

    I've ordered a Q9650 to replace and will be starting everything over...prob' in next 2 days as cpu s/come tomorrow.

    I will document my process a bit more formally in case it helps others going "retro/old school" trying to save some $$$.

    Thanks profJim/all and see you online in a day or so.

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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    I hate to be "Mr. No Way" but if you will need a bios that supports vt-d I think that you are out of luck.

    Running VM's is not the issue but it looks like you will need a bios, chipset and other hardware that explicitly supports vt-d.

    From Intel's Q9550 and Q9650 specs:

    Intel® Virtualization Technology (VT-x) --> Yes
    Intel® Virtualization Technology for Directed I/O (VT-d) --> Yes

    This feature may not be available on all computing systems. Please check with the system vendor to determine if your system delivers this feature, or reference the system specifications (motherboard, processor, chipset, power supply, HDD, graphics controller, memory, BIOS, drivers, virtual machine monitor-VMM, platform software, and/or operating system) for feature compatibility. Functionality, performance, and other benefits of this feature may vary depending on system configuration.

    A couple useful links:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_o...rting_hardware
    https://software.intel.com/en-us/for...t/topic/303715
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    Default Re: Wanting to add 16GB and a pinch of OC to EP45T-DS3R...but much bad voodoo, memory, etc.

    I didn’t think I needed VT-D capability but you scared me enough I actually reverified a test I’d already done! Lol…

    My Q9650 came via USPS a few days after everything else (fans, etc.) sigh. But the upgrade went well. Going from my old 2.3GHz cpu to 3GHz brought down my Android build from 1 hour to 45m (woohoo!). I actually still can't emulate x86_64 devices due to Haxm and linux, but have plenty of workarounds.

    My only requirement thankfully was for VT-X capability...and more RAM. Everything is working well and I'm digging the Lepa closed loop cooler. It's mounted at the rear/top of my case and all other vents are setup as exhaust. I went a little crazy with the led fans, basing it on a “temperature” scheme. All are Thermaltake Riing 12 or 14. The blue outer fan on radiator is my “cool intake” and fan on other side of radiator is OEM fan with no LED. Two top vents have orange 140s and both side panel holes at rear have two orange 140s. Up at the front panel I’ve got a couple of yellow 140s stacked vertically underneath my dvd drive and fan controller. The metal “hockey puck” cpu head glows red. I finished my color Jones’g off with a Lingyi Black Widow illuminated keyboard.

    Cpu temps are generally between 28-32c and at about 10m into the build the heat peaked on all cores between 42-51 for rest of hour while it did its thing. Max temp was 55 on one core but only briefly. Generally the one core was at 51 and other mid 40s.

    What I would like to have is the best OC given my setup. Is hoping for 3.5GHz too much with my legacy gear and single radiator cooler? And if 3.5 is ok…3.75? Heh heh.

    So I will start again with my BIOS settings and attempt to create a few profiles (normal, fast, faster) that survive a boot, memtest and prime.

    Only question I still have is in regards to XPM support in my bios. The setting appears to be missing yet my manual shows it…yet is vague and says it won’t appear (even disabled?) unless memory is compatible. I’m not sweating on my 16GB ram just yet, merely wondering why XPM wasn’t showing in bios and believing I hadn’t cleared bios or followed reset protocol correctly per some other knowledgeable posters.

    I’ll be tweaking bios settings tonight and will post working profiles/settings for folks.

    Thanks much profJim…crossing my fingers.

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