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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by AHPD View Post
    Of course GTX1070 has GOP. Here's the cause:



    Load optimized defaults in first place. CSM must be enabled, and storage driver priority must be in Legacy.

    If you put storage driver in UEFI mode, you won't see SATA drives.

    Gigabyte boards have issues with NVMe SSD's it looks like. Was a nightmare to get my 950 Pro to work.

    Hi,

    i am a little confused as most people have said to CSM should be disabled as well as legacy

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by jimlad View Post
    Hi,

    i am a little confused as most people have said to CSM should be disabled as well as legacy
    Jimlad, whatever this guy tells you about CSM and Legacy is totally false... You need CSM disabled and UEFI (EFI)...and I know you did not listen.

    I have almost the exact same specs as you, Gigabyte Z170 Gaming 7, 2 x Samsung M.2 950 pros, GTX 1080, i7 6700K, etc... and the best boot time, from cold boot, meaning pushing the power button to windows ready is 25 seconds... 10 seconds to post, 10 seconds to see windows logo and about 5 seconds when ready to go.

    I am on BIOS F8, i have tried F8p, F8i and other previous official versions before that with same results. All my settings are in UEFI, meaning windows install and all drives are in GPT, etc...

    I guess most Gigabyte Z170 Gaming 7 boards with a M.2 drive are doomed to stay at 30 seconds boot time. I have tried in Raid 0 config, in standard AHCI config and clean re-installed windows 3-4 times with same results...

    Memory Fastboot in BIOS actually did not change much for me.

    For sure, in Windows, you need to go to "msconfig" and make sure you have a timeout of 3 seconds (lowest possible value) and not 30 seconds in the "Boot" tab.

    See my settings in my video Boot up time and Bios settings: Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 7 with OS on M.2 Samsung 950 Pro - YouTube (i had a Geforce 980Ti when i did video and now have a GTX 1080, with same outcome)

    Good luck and if you find a solution to your Boot time issue, please share!

    Claude

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by cac2244 View Post
    Jimlad, whatever this guy tells you about CSM and Legacy is totally false... You need CSM disabled and UEFI (EFI)...and I know you did not listen.

    I have almost the exact same specs as you, Gigabyte Z170 Gaming 7, 2 x Samsung M.2 950 pros, GTX 1080, i7 6700K, etc... and the best boot time, from cold boot, meaning pushing the power button to windows ready is 25 seconds... 10 seconds to post, 10 seconds to see windows logo and about 5 seconds when ready to go.

    I am on BIOS F8, i have tried F8p, F8i and other previous official versions before that with same results. All my settings are in UEFI, meaning windows install and all drives are in GPT, etc...

    I guess most Gigabyte Z170 Gaming 7 boards with a M.2 drive are doomed to stay at 30 seconds boot time. I have tried in Raid 0 config, in standard AHCI config and clean re-installed windows 3-4 times with same results...

    Memory Fastboot in BIOS actually did not change much for me.

    For sure, in Windows, you need to go to "msconfig" and make sure you have a timeout of 3 seconds (lowest possible value) and not 30 seconds in the "Boot" tab.

    See my settings in my video Boot up time and Bios settings: Gigabyte Z170X-Gaming 7 with OS on M.2 Samsung 950 Pro - YouTube (i had a Geforce 980Ti when i did video and now have a GTX 1080, with same outcome)

    Good luck and if you find a solution to your Boot time issue, please share!

    Claude
    So are you telling that I don't have the hardware to prove that SATA drives don't get recognized if a NVMe SSD is installed, and Storage Boot Option Control is set to UEFI huh?

    You may disable CSM if you got a graphics card with GOP, and if you got only SATA drives, you can safely disable CSM. NVMe drives, Gigabyte screwed up on this one.

    I recommend to keep CSM enabled anyway. You must be really paranoid with boot times.

    I will benchmark my boot times from S5 state (cold boot) and see how long it takes.

    EDIT:

    How long it takes until desktop is delivered:

    30s cold boot (hit power button)
    20s reboot (once screen goes blank)

    I don't have S4 state active (Hybrid Sleep), as Wake-On-LAN is not supported in this state.

    If I had that enabled, probably would halve these times.
    Last edited by AHPD; 09-29-2016 at 04:19 AM.

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    I got the other way around, and it's even worse.

    My NVMe drive (Samsung 950 Pro 512GB) is not recognized if Storage Boot Option Control is set to UEFI.

    Disabled or Legacy only mode, gets recognized just fine.

    I have the SATA drives, I don't have my boot drive.

    My recommendation to keep CSM enabled still stands.

    I can make a video of that if you want.

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by AHPD View Post
    I got the other way around, and it's even worse.

    My NVMe drive (Samsung 950 Pro 512GB) is not recognized if Storage Boot Option Control is set to UEFI.

    Disabled or Legacy only mode, gets recognized just fine.

    I have the SATA drives, I don't have my boot drive.

    My recommendation to keep CSM enabled still stands.

    I can make a video of that if you want.

    AHPD, It looks like your setup is screwed up, unless you run Win7 then you probably need CSM enabled...Anyway, the idea is NOT to prove you wrong, but to help Jimlad, and his issue is slow boot time with his M.2 drive on Win 10 and GTX 1070, all of which are maximized at CSM disabled (which causes Legacy option to disappear). And YES, when CSM is disabled, you still see your Sata drives...I have two of them, trust me, they work just fine as data drives. I even tried it myself to put your settings in my BIOS at CSM enabled and Legacy on, and my win10 on my Samsung 950 512GB and GTX 1080, booted up from power button to windows in 27 seconds...I get 25 seconds on CSM disabled. Let's focus on helping Jimlad...not to prove each other wrong because let me tell you, with Gigabyte and the stupid Nvme M.2 drives anything and everything is possible as they do not have their act together. Just to prove a point, I was raiding 0 my 2 Samsung 950 pro's with bootable windows 10 on it and got it to work, but had to fight because stupid latest version of Bios F8 for the GA Z170 Gaming 7 Mobo has Intel Rapid Storage technology ver 14.5, where full M.2 Nvme support comes after version 14.6. Latest Intel RST is now at 14.8, so go figure... Peace and let's turn our focus on Jimlad.

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    I have the same mb with the I7 6700k / Kingston 2 x 8gb mem / Samsung Evo 850 - 250gb ssd / Windows 10 Pro - 64 bits.

    When I owned the Samsung 950 pro - 512gb m2 ssd (no problem with booting at all!) it took longer to boot Windows than currently with my Samsung Evo 850 - 250gb achi!

    It takes approx 25 seconds to boot up Windows 10, with the M2 it took approx. 30 seconds. (assume Nvme protocal takes a little longer)

    I also tried a Intel 750 - 400gb m2 pci-e ssd, but returned same since it would not always be recognised during the initial
    boot up fase.

    It seems the Z170x Gaming 7 takes at least 10 seconds to run thru the pre-bios set up another 10 to 15 seconds for Windows 10, changing the settings in the Bios from (Fast / to Ultra does no speed up the process.

    Cold boot is sometimes a litlle faster. 19 - 22 seconds.

    Also experimented with removing my 3 WD Storage HD's, but little effect.

    So concluding a boot up time of 20 to 25 seconds is normal for this configuration.

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by polypenko View Post
    I have the same mb with the I7 6700k / Kingston 2 x 8gb mem / Samsung Evo 850 - 250gb ssd / Windows 10 Pro - 64 bits.

    When I owned the Samsung 950 pro - 512gb m2 ssd (no problem with booting at all!) it took longer to boot Windows than currently with my Samsung Evo 850 - 250gb achi!

    It takes approx 25 seconds to boot up Windows 10, with the M2 it took approx. 30 seconds. (assume Nvme protocal takes a little longer)

    I also tried a Intel 750 - 400gb m2 pci-e ssd, but returned same since it would not always be recognised during the initial
    boot up fase.

    It seems the Z170x Gaming 7 takes at least 10 seconds to run thru the pre-bios set up another 10 to 15 seconds for Windows 10, changing the settings in the Bios from (Fast / to Ultra does no speed up the process.

    Cold boot is sometimes a litlle faster. 19 - 22 seconds.

    Also experimented with removing my 3 WD Storage HD's, but little effect.

    So concluding a boot up time of 20 to 25 seconds is normal for this configuration.
    Polypenko,

    Thanks for your input...it has become my conclusion as well, with 950 pros, the best you can do is about 21-25 seconds with win 10.. I have also bought an 850 Evo 1 TB, did a fresh UEFI win 10 install and got about a second or two below just like your findings, so all in all, I guess this is a limitation of the MB and system and we have to make peace with that. I actually got an MSI MB Z170A Gaming 7, 2 weeks ago and it also gave me a 21-25 seconds boot with 2 x M.2 in Raid 0 or just one 950 Pro alone, nothing else attached to mobo, so i am kind of calling the bluff on the 5 second boots like on this video (which i duplicated to a "t" with an 24 average boot time) GUIDE: How to configure Samsung 950 PRO (NVMe M.2 SSD) in Bootable RAID 0 - YouTube .

    Thanks for your input.

    Claude

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    Default Re: Help me with boot times - Gigabyte GA-Z170X-GAMING 7

    Quote Originally Posted by cac2244 View Post
    AHPD, It looks like your setup is screwed up, unless you run Win7 then you probably need CSM enabled...
    Wanted to give a quick update - My setup was screwed up - Graphics card BIOS (R9 Fury Tri-X) with outdated GOP module - I updated the GOP module myself, and now I can boot with CSM disabled. No tricks, no weird settings, simply works.

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