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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    There's one other option to consider: You can try dual-booting. Dual-booting will allow you to choose between two operating systems (in this case, Windows 98 and Windows XP) when your computer starts up.
    Sorry for butting in like this, but you mentioned dual-booting. I've been trying to find the software to do this but have got absolutley no where (I have a copy of Red Hat Linux with GRUB Loader, but I can't get it off there.

    I'm building a new computer and want to run dual OS. Have any advice?

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    If you're using RedHat, just install it after installing Windows. The same applies to most Distros. You won't need any extra software usually. The order of installation goes like this if, say, you're dual-booting 98/XP/Linux:
    Windows 98
    Windows XP
    Linux
    The 98 boot loader will overwrite any other boot loaders. The XP boot loader will overwrite anything but other Windows versions. Linux boot loaders (GRUB and LILO, for example) will just integrate the other boot loaders as boot options, rather than overwriting them. Dual-booting Linux should be pretty simple. :wink:

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    Well no, I'm not doing Linux, just XP and 98. So, I understand that I will need dual partitions, but how do I go about accessing and loading the seperate programs? The next thing is that my copy of XP is an upgrade (which means I would have to install 98 then go to XP), would that mess anything up? And XP comes with it's own boot loader?


    I've done this before with linux but not a dual windows system...i just don't understand the software setup.

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    Like I said, there's nothing special involved......
    Installl Windows 98. From there, you can create a 2nd partition to install XP on. You can also do it from the XP installation, so whichever you find more convenient is fine. There should be some sort of option from the upgrade CD that allows you to setup a fresh install of XP, rather than installing it over the previous Windows version.

    As for accessing programs, there can be some problems when dual-booting. Some programs, mostly games, will have problems if you install them in one OS but try to run them in an other. Most programs will be fine, but some won't work properly or at all. The best thing to do is to install the program in both operating systems. The setup of whatever program you're installing will just copy over the files so it won't wreck the program at all. That way, you have registry entries in both operating systems.

    Quote Originally Posted by werley_123
    And XP comes with it's own boot loader?
    Of course. How do you think you boot into XP? :wink:

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    Alright, let me go over this one more time just so I don't screw nothing up.

    I make two partitions while partioning the drive. Windows will be able to read both pratitions.

    I install 98 on one of them. Once it is up and going, i install 98 on the other partition (drive D).

    When it boots, it will ask me which one i want to run.

    I install XP over one of the 98's and it is done.


    something like that, or am I way off?

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    You're pretty much right on except for your understanding of the second partition.

    First off, you don't HAVE to make both partitions before you install Windows 98 but you can if you want. No big deal.

    As for the second partition, yes you install an OS there, but NOT Windows 98 again.

    Your Windows XP CD, being the upgrade version DOES NOT MEAN you have to install it over a previous version of Windows. All an "upgrade version" of an OS means is that you have to have the CD of a previous Windows OS.

    So instead of installing Windows 98 again on the second (D) partition, and then running XP setup from within that 98 OS in order to install XP overit, just start the setup program of your XP CD (by making your CD-Rom first in the boot order of course) and choose to install it in the second empty partition that you made earlier. There WILL be an option within the XP setup asking you which partition you want to install it on.

    Finally, EVEN THOUGH it is an upgrade version of Windows XP, there will be a point where it asks you to insert the CD of a previous Windows OS. At that point, pop in your 98 CD, let the setup program chew on it for 10 seconds, and then it will allow you to continue to install a FRESH installation of XP.

    Never EVER install a newer Windows OS ON TOP OF an older version of Windows, i. e. never do what you were planning to do; installing Windows 98 just so you could immediately install Windows XP on top of it. TRUST ME. Oh, the things I've seen, the nightmares I've had, the migranes I've endured....*collapses into fetal position and starts shivering*

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    So let me get this straight, even though I have an upgrade version, I can partition the drive using my win 98 boot disk, put my cd as the first load device and load XP from that?


    Out of the three times I have attempted to install XP over 98 it has only succeeded once; The other two times ended up in failure with me throwing breaking **** :evil:

    My current plan as of now (pick out any foulisy):
    1. Partion Drives
    2. Load 98 onto 120 gig ide
    3. Set cd as first load device
    4. Install XP on to my 74 gig sata without going through Windows since it has caused me soo much trouble in the past

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    Edit: You may want to skip down a bit.

    Pretty much.

    If this is your only computer, and you want to be really safe, you can download a version of Knoppix. Knoppix is a Linux distrobution that runs off CD without touching your hard drive. The point is, with it you can go online and get more help. This is completely unneccessary if you have another computer. If not, it's really easy to use. Download it at http://www.damnsmalllinux.org/download.html and burn to a CD. Get an ISO to burn it to CD in the easiest way possible (many CD burning programs can do it). You boot off it and type knoppix when asked. You can use the file manager that comes with it (icon on desktop) to access the Internet or download Mozilla (automatically). There's nothing to be done but burn it and run it.
    Again, that's only if you want to be really, really safe (since you seem to be double-checking on something that is extremely easy). I haven't encountered many systems that wouldn't install 98 or XP, and none that have problems with both.

    After your done, first download and install chipset drivers for both operating systems. Then install DirectX (go search on the MS web site). Finally, download and install video drivers for both OSs. AFter that, you can make any more partitions that you want. I suggest a 3GB FAT32 (only choice, actually) for 98, a 6GB FAT32 for XP, and up to about 35 GB FAT32 for applications. The rest can be NTFS (make the apps partition smaller if neccessary). To access your NTFS drive from 98, download NTFS for Windows 98 from http://www.sysinternals.com/ntw2k/fr...tfswin98.shtml. After that, go to the thread in the Windows forum called "[98 Tweaks]." Follow all of the instructions there, particularly my long thread.

    I hope I didn't make this sound too complicated. It should only take a few hours, depending on the computer, and is fairly simple. You should notice better performance in most applications run under 98 than those run under XP. I use 98 for most games, and its neccessary for some older ones. I think you'll be quite pleased once you have it setup. :D :wink:

    Edit: ohhhh, I took too long....

    I would strongly suggest you put the three FAT32 partitions onto your SATA. Use them for applications (including games), Windows 98, and Windows XP. Use the IDE for whatever you want. If you need more than about 60GB for programs, have a single FAT32 partition on it. Otherwise, format the entire drive in NTFS and use it for files.

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    Thanks for the advice.

    I've done this before, I just don't want to f*&K up.
    From the sounds of things, using the 3 gig for 98, the 6 gig for XP and the rest for programs sounds good. I can just use the 120 for media storage since songs and movies don't demand as fast of an access time

    I need 98 to run Wolfenstien and Doom...and if the games run faster on 98, i may run them from there too, using XP only for internet and Office work (I take it thats XP's fourtea?)

    I have heard some say that when they do such a thing that they have trouble running programs on the OS they did not load the program on (i.e. having troubles running office XP through 98 or running Age of Empires through XP). Does this happen and is there a way to remedy it?

    Yeah, I know I'm asking a lot of Q's, but I want to get them out of the way now so I can hit it and go when I get my computer in (Thursday...I will be a happy man :D ).

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    Man I saw your 98 tweak reply...you weren't lying, my computer is missing all sorts of drivers (namely mouse, video, and pci bridge). You say all these drivers will be in my 98 cd, and where do I get winrAR?

    Please tell me XP doesn't have all these wholes in it; if it does, I'm going to be down right pissed off. Otherwise, I got my plan down and I'm ready for the stuff to come in.


    The more I talk to you people, the more I realize I don't know as much about computers as I thought I did. :(


    Oh yeah one more thing, the only boot disk I have is a Windows 98 boot disk. Will that be able to do a NTSF partition or do I have to go download an XP boot disk?

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