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    Default Re: Complicated problem involving possible incompatible parts.

    read this

    I still suspect the psu since it got worse over time. You still never said what kind of psu it is. When installing xp, erase and recreate the partition before installing. And I am not sure about your description of what happened on test 167. Read the last post in this thread
    Last edited by maximus7001; 04-12-2005 at 09:39 AM.
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    Default Re: Complicated problem involving possible incompatible parts.

    How could it be the psu that is having the problems. It can boot up fine and everything and run for as long as you have it on. All I know is that it is a 420 watt psu. I'm not sure what the brand is but I will open the case up and look around to find out.

    I also if it was the psu couldnt there be random shutdowns? In my case I keep getting that Stop blue screen of death thing.

    I just switched out the ram with a stick of 256 memory from another computer and ill see if it crashes when installing xp.

    Also is there a possiblilty that HD's can go bad after awhile? Beacause it is using a old 40 gig hd that I have owned for a few years now. Just trying to get at new idead at what the problem could be.

    EDIT:

    Ok first off i switched out the 1 gig stick of ram with a 256 i had lying around. Reformatted windows and everything seems to be working find.

    The thing I find puzzling is that i ran that memtest program someone suggested and it turned up 0 errors for the 1 gig stick. Yet when i switched it out for the 256 everything worked slower but no blue screen ever came up.

    Does this mean that my 1 gig ram could still be good or does it mean that the memtest program is inacurate in finding the errors?

    Also the name of the psu is raid 420w. Can I get any input on this what you other people think. I'm pretty positive that its the ram now and the memtest was inacurate. And if thats the case with the ram then it might be time for a trip to frys to get a 512 or 1 gig ram.
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    Default Re: Complicated problem involving possible incompatible parts.

    Being in the computer building/fixing business, I have seen it all. There is no testing program that ever works 100%. A few occasions memtest86+ did not pick up an error on ram that was obviously faulty but goldmemory did. Of all the broken machines that I have worked on, the 3 things tend to die the most are psu, ram and mobo(in that order).
    With larger sticks of ram, the timings tend to be more relaxed and sometimes spd does not set the timings accordingly. For example: I have seen spd set the cas to 2.5 on cas 3 ram. I have also seen ram that needed a little bit more voltage than default to run properly at the advertised timings or run at all. I even tested a r7000 64mb gfx card years ago that tended to "forget" about 32mb of it's memory sometimes when run in a mobo that had no agp volt adjustment. As soon as it was in a mobo that the had agp voltage turned up a notch, voila the gfx memory was all there again and stayed that way.
    Last edited by maximus7001; 04-13-2005 at 01:30 AM.
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    Default Re: Complicated problem involving possible incompatible parts.

    Ok I see what you said about that the psu dies then ram and mobo. But ever since I stuck that 256 ram in it runs fine now with no errors. So all i have to replace is the ram now correct? Or are you saying that becase the psu could be faulty then thats what made the ram die.

    So should I replace the psu or should I replace the ram? Cause im pretty sure its the ram that was faulty.

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    Default Re: Complicated problem involving possible incompatible parts.

    Quote Originally Posted by steve-0o0
    Ok I see what you said about that the psu dies then ram and mobo. But ever since I stuck that 256 ram in it runs fine now with no errors. So all i have to replace is the ram now correct? Or are you saying that becase the psu could be faulty then thats what made the ram die.

    So should I replace the psu or should I replace the ram? Cause im pretty sure its the ram that was faulty.
    Try the ram in another machine I guess. With these things nothing is ever for sure. With ram there is more to it than just pluging it in. The timings are guessed by spd(the technology that is suposed to run the ram at the correct timings) and it is almost never correct. As I was saying try upping the dimm voltage a notch. The setting for this in in the frequency/voltage control of the bios. As for the timings being correct, I don't see a setting for this in your manual. Alot of times when the auto settings in this section are changed to manual then a whole new set of options become available and thats probably were the timing settings are.
    As for parts failure, I did not mean that these things fail like that, I meant that psu is most common, second is ram, and third is mobo. And that is based on observation over the years.

    About the psu, in the pc health status of the bios, the voltages are displayed in realtime. If they are visably fluctuating lots(by .200v or more, the last 2 digits dont mean much) or if they are incorect by more than 10% then there may be a problem)
    Last edited by maximus7001; 04-13-2005 at 05:57 AM.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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