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    Quote Originally Posted by chezman
    A)If you buy a router, you don't need a hub.
    B)If you use ICS just plug the second computer into the "master" which is connected to the net, you will have to leave this one on all the time, and only be able to use one computer at a time to browse.
    A) If he buys just a plain router with no inbuilt switch, he will NEED the hub
    B) The "master" computer doesn't need to be on all the time, its just convenient to have it on all the time so you can use the net from the second computer whenever you want. No matter which way you share the net, both computers will be able to browse, game and download to your heart's content, you only limits will be the speed of DSL, any download limits you may have (do you even have those in the states?)

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    Andy,

    I was a DSL TECH for the ISP he is using.

    All he needs is a 4 port cable/dsl router. He hooks the modem into the router, then the 2 nic cables into the router and he can browse off both computer at the same time, sharing the bandwidth.
    I may be mistaken. But I was a DSL TECH for SBC YAHOO, the ISP he is using and that is what I did all day long what get people hooked up over the phone and diagnosed problems and ran customers through the fixes.

    I can still be wrong though. If I am missing something, by all means let me know.

    Chez

    PS Nobody uses hubs in my neck of the woods anymore, switches are pretty much the standard around here. For his application and how his PPPOE service is though, it requires a user name and password, which the router will take care of so he is constantlly connected since it will pick up a new IP if he gets booted(they boot after 6 hours of no usage) If he uses a switch he will then have to log on everytime. The system sucks, the isp sucks, and the 4port cable/dsl router trick is how I got my customers around the ****ty service. He inputs his wan, lan, gateway, and the PPPOE username and password into the router and it does all the work. It also forces the DNS which is also a bonus as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by chezman
    Andy,

    I was a DSL TECH for the ISP he is using.

    .....

    I can still be wrong though. If I am missing something, by all means let me know.

    Chez

    PS Nobody uses hubs in my neck of the woods anymore, switches are pretty much the standard around here. For his application and how his PPPOE service is though, it requires a user name and password, which the router will take care of so he is constantlly connected since it will pick up a new IP if he gets booted(they boot after 6 hours of no usage) If he uses a switch he will then have to log on everytime. The system sucks, the isp sucks, and the 4port cable/dsl router trick is how I got my customers around the ****ty service. He inputs his wan, lan, gateway, and the PPPOE username and password into the router and it does all the work. It also forces the DNS which is also a bonus as well.
    Andy was right in what he said. It doesn't matter what ISP it is. Some routers don't come with built in switches. So you'd need a hub / switch on this side of the router. And as for only one computer browsing at a time with ICS, that's not right either.

    The terms 'hub' and 'switch' get used fairly loosely, so when talking about one you can usually assume that it applies to both, unless it's specifics about something a switch can do. So if someone says they need a hub, then yeah, a switch would do fine as well.

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    Thanks Beefy, Like I said correct me if I am wrong. Didn't know some routers don't come with switches. I was thinking of a 4 port cable/dsl router, and said so, and they come with a switch.

    I didn't say anything about ICS using only one computer at a time. Cause I have never used ICS so I wouldn't know.

    About the hub, switch issue. All I know is a switch is better and they cost a little more so why not just go with a switch.

    The same with the 4 port cable/dsl router issue. Why buy a switch for $20-$30 when you can get a 4 port cable/dsl router issue for around $40-$50 and have a lot more functionality.

    Thanks for the info.

    Chez
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    Quote Originally Posted by chezman
    B)If you use ICS just plug the second computer into the "master" which is connected to the net, you will have to leave this one on all the time, and only be able to use one computer at a time to browse.
    *cough*

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    OKAY OKAY ................... I EAT MY WORDSSSSSSSSSSS!!!!

    He still needs a 4 port router darnit!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Chez

    PS Thanks beefy. lol
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    He doesn't need one. It's just the easiest solution. :D

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    Would you want to Log on like dial-up when you have dsl evertime you wanted to check your email?

    The system sucks. I had so many people call and ask why in the heck do they have to log on to a DIRECT, ALWAYS ON CONNECTION!

    Then poor old ladies that installed their proprietary software would say "I clicked on the rocket, but it didn't go anywhere!"

    It is the worst ISP I have ever seen. Not to mention the PPPOE software, it was a joke.
    With XP, you can bypass all of that, but we would get fired if we told the customer that.
    It sucked to say the least.

    Thanks though for the corrections. Like I always say, nobodies perfect, and you learn something new everyday.

    Chez
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    i know its 1 of the suckiest isp's, i got comcast, verison and earthlink but i shall not get on any of those for some reasons.......so i need a router with a switch? can i get on internet with both at same time?
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    With a simple 4 port router/switch, as chezman mentioned, you plug in your modem on one side, and up to four PCs on the other side. The router handles all the connection information, so any computer that plugs into it will have access to the connection.

    Chez, it's pretty sad if you get fired because you're helping the customer to a better solution, but I understand what you're talking about. I've seen people here do the same thing.

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