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  • Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

    I bought the EP45-UD3R, 2X2GB G.Skill 1066 memory, Antec case and a decent Zalman HSF, etc. before Christmas to build my first system. (I already had a XFX 8800GT 512, 600 watt PS and Pentium D820). My previous system 'died' and I was hoping to upgrade around the (admittedly dated) CPU. Boot drive was okay.

    I put everything together and the first time it worked like a champ. Updated my Windows activation key and some drivers, wireless was working and I was off running load tests. While I was in ST6 (didn't change anything) the system hung. After that, I couldn't reliably get into BIOS much less get Windows running. (Granted, I understand it's a crapshoot to be able boot from a previous chipset's OS build.) BTW BIOS Rev level was F4

    I stripped the mobo down to 1 stick, CPU, GPU and PS. I can get into BIOS painfully (lots of Ctrl-Alt-Dels) but it always hangs somewhere. Tried innumerable combinations and found nothing that stay up. I RMA'ed the Mobo to NewEgg, figuring I had a bad board.

    Just started playing with the new board yesterday. I'm getting pretty much the same results. Okay, I don't care anymore about booting with my XP build. I can re-build the OS it but I still have issues with stability. I tried my old memory (667) and it's a little better but still not good enough. I hooked up a CD/DVD and I can (occasionally) get it to begin to boot off the XP CD, but it always hangs.

    I've adjusted the timing and voltage for the G.Skill memory to match their specs but nothing leads to consistent results. Okay, well maybe one thing is consistent; if I clear CMOS I can get back into the BIOS. Loading either Fail Safe or Default doesn't seem to make a difference. But if I adjust voltage / timing it hangs and we're back at the beginning.

    Could my D820 be the problem ? (It is supported on the UD3R with Rev 4) I'm not averse to dropping $165 (plus shipping!) for the Wolfdale but I don't want to collect HW that I can't get to work together

    I also have the ATX 4 -> ATX 12V 2x4 adaptor for Mobo power because my PS doesn't have a native ATX 12V 2x4

    I've seen too many posts on NewEgg extolling the virtues of this Mobo so I must be doing something wrong here vs. a design flaw. (And I get paid to do IT )

    Any Help Please!!
    Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
    Intel Duo E8400
    Zalman CNPS9700 LED
    G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
    XFX 8800GT AD
    320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
    (3) WD SATA drives (data)
    SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
    Thermaltake 600W
    Antec 900
    Vista Home 64b SP1
    HannsG 28" 1080p

  • #2
    Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

    Have you tried it without the ATX 12V adapter?

    Your setup should run fine with just the 4-pin — 8-pin is only necessary for highly loaded systems and you just might be under-volting something by combining both on one rail (just a thought.)

    Aside from that, I'd be carefully checking the voltages from the PSU — 2 mobo's showing the same fault is straining the friendship a bit.

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    • #3
      Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

      As a matter of fact, I did try it without the adapter and got the same results.

      Other ideas?
      Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
      Intel Duo E8400
      Zalman CNPS9700 LED
      G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
      XFX 8800GT AD
      320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
      (3) WD SATA drives (data)
      SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
      Thermaltake 600W
      Antec 900
      Vista Home 64b SP1
      HannsG 28" 1080p

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      • #4
        Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

        Additional Info

        Memory : G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500)

        Power Supply : Thermaltake PurePower 600W
        Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
        Intel Duo E8400
        Zalman CNPS9700 LED
        G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
        XFX 8800GT AD
        320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
        (3) WD SATA drives (data)
        SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
        Thermaltake 600W
        Antec 900
        Vista Home 64b SP1
        HannsG 28" 1080p

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        • #5
          Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

          My new system (not in daily use yet — awaiting a couple of items) has the same board and a somewhat more expensive 4GB G-Skill RAM kit, but an 8500 Wolfdale (stock cooler), 8800GTS and OCZ 700W PSU (which has the 8-pin 12V plug), also 7 HD's, 2 opticals and floppy.

          It has somewhere about 100 hours on it so far with no obvious problems — worked fine from the get-go apart from setting FSB @ 266 instead of 333, which I already expected and fixed in a moment.

          You mention you've used ST6 — did either of the boards work OK before that?

          If it mis-detected the CPU and puished it too hard, that might well be the problem.

          I tried it (ST6) on mine and took it off again — it was doing odd things with voltages even on a setup that it should have known all about and had pushed the E8500 lots higher than I liked, especially with the stock fan (can't recall exactly what, but I shuddered and dropped it back real quick — E8500's are about $US220 here...)

          Can you test the D820 in a different board? (maybe it was what died (or got red in the face when something else died) in your old setup?)

          The spec's for your PSU show 29A total (regard it as maybe 26A when calculating loading — never trust the wholesaler's spec...) on +12V, which ought to be about enough, but I'd prefer to see a few more.

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          • #6
            Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

            Couple of things ....

            Out of the box(es) it worked fine with both sticks. Perhaps in my efforts I changed something in the BIOS and did not correctly / completely clear it ... I tried one stick and I could get nothing - just kept re-booting. Swapped sticks, cleared CMOS (per the the post) and now it seems 'better'. I can consistently get into the BIOS but it still often 'hangs' while in there.

            A template for the Pentium 5 D820 with the G.Skill memory : G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) would really be helpful. I'm using stock setting except for DRAM voltage and timing. I've tried to leech off other posts but I don't have all the options the Wolfdale CPUS have.

            I'll keep looking in case Lsdmeasap doesn't respond
            Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
            Intel Duo E8400
            Zalman CNPS9700 LED
            G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
            XFX 8800GT AD
            320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
            (3) WD SATA drives (data)
            SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
            Thermaltake 600W
            Antec 900
            Vista Home 64b SP1
            HannsG 28" 1080p

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            • #7
              Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

              Originally posted by zamster View Post
              Couple of things ....

              Out of the box(es) it worked fine with both sticks. Perhaps in my efforts I changed something in the BIOS and did not correctly / completely clear it ... I tried one stick and I could get nothing - just kept re-booting. Swapped sticks, cleared CMOS (per the the post) and now it seems 'better'. I can consistently get into the BIOS but it still often 'hangs' while in there.

              A template for the Pentium 5 D820 with the G.Skill memory : G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 1066 (PC2 8500) would really be helpful. I'm using stock setting except for DRAM voltage and timing. I've tried to leech off other posts but I don't have all the options the Wolfdale CPUS have.

              I'll keep looking in case Lsdmeasap doesn't respond
              CPU support list link at http://www.gigabyte.com.tw/Support/M...ProductID=2921

              make sure your bios is F4 to order work with older Pentium D 820.

              pg
              Last edited by powergiga; 01-12-2009, 09:41 AM. Reason: edited
              GA-EP45-UD3R REV 1.1 BIOS F11 (stay away F10F)
              New Intel Pentium E6500 9x500 FSB=4.5 GHz on air
              G
              .SKILL PI BLK 2x2GB DDR2 800 1.8-1.9v CL4 @5.5.5.15 500 MHZ
              MSI GTX 260 OC 620/1080/1296 (192 SP)
              PSU BFG TECH GS-550W (DUAL+12V RAILS 18A EACH.)
              Windows 7 64bit build 7600


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              • #8
                Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                I'd still like to see you test the CPU in something else — all manner of things can happen when a mobo dies, and it WAS in your old system.

                That both boards worked initially out of the box suggests a problem with something else, and I'd always suspect parts that were in a failed system.

                I assume you've tried looser timings on the new RAM?

                Also BIOS F5 is now official — might make a difference.

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                • #9
                  Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                  No I hadn't tried looser timing on the RAM. Took the stick to 7-7-7-21 and went right to boot screen. Since I didn't have a drive attached, it stopped there, but that's okay. This is progress. I'll attach a drive (DVD, former boot device, etc.) and see where I go.

                  Is it worth my time messing with this D820 vs. upgrading to a Wolfdale?
                  Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
                  Intel Duo E8400
                  Zalman CNPS9700 LED
                  G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
                  XFX 8800GT AD
                  320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
                  (3) WD SATA drives (data)
                  SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
                  Thermaltake 600W
                  Antec 900
                  Vista Home 64b SP1
                  HannsG 28" 1080p

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                  • #10
                    Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                    Looks like it might just be that the processor can't keep up with the standard timings for 1066 — persevere with it and see how you go.

                    I think 800 was considered flying pretty low when it came out.

                    As to whether the expense of the Wolfdale is worth your while, I guess that's up to you...

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                    • #11
                      Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                      I think this is correct, hard to find the specs for your CPU, but I am tired

                      200(800) FSB x 14 right? If so, or if not the ram settings should help you either way. And yes, this board was not really built for such a processor and that was only made compatible after the fact. And without a FSB Overclock you will not get 1066 ram speed as 4.00 is your largest Ram Multi. If you can get stable and want to overclock I can for sure help you get your ram up to 1066. I know these do overclock good, I had a 925 I could do 3.8 with easy

                      Please do start again with optimized defaults >>>

                      This is Just a template I use to ask people their settings, pay no attention to the numbers in it, replace with yours

                      Code:
                      [b][u]MB Intelligent Tweaker(M.I.T.)[/u][/b]
                      Robust Graphics Booster ...............: Auto or Fast
                      CPU Clock Ratio ..........................: 14
                      Fine CPU Clock Ratio.....................:.0
                      CPU Frequency ...........................: 2.80
                      
                      
                      [b][u]Clock Chip Control [/u][/b]
                      [b][u]Standard Clock Control[/u][/b]
                      CPU Host Clock Control..................: [Enabled] 
                      CPU Host Frequency (Mhz) ............: 200Mhz
                      [B]PCI Express Frequency (Mhz) .........:Set to 100[/B]
                      
                      C.I.A.2 .................................:[Disabled]
                      
                      
                      [b][u]Advanced Clock Control [Press Enter][/u][/b]
                      CPU Clock Drive...........................: <<< 800
                      PCI Express Clock Drive.................: <<< 900
                      CPU Clock Skew (ps)....................: <<< 
                      MCH Clock Skew (ps)...................: <<< 
                      
                      
                      [b][u]DRAM Performance Control[/u][/b][u][/u]
                      [B]Performance Enhance...................: [STANDARD][/B]
                      Extreme Memory Profile (X.M.P.).....: Disabled
                      (G)MCH Frequency Latch...............: [Auto]
                      System Memory Multiplier ..............: 4.00C
                      Memory Frequency (Mhz) ..............: 800
                      DRAM Timing Selectable ................: [Manual]
                      
                      [b]Standard Timing Control[/b]
                      CAS Latency Time........................5
                      tRCD .........................................5
                      tRP'...........................................5
                      tRAS..........................................15/18
                      
                      Set all Suggested below to highest Values first.  Then later you can lower, one at a time, testing as you go
                      
                      [b][u]Advanced Timing Control[/u][/b]
                      tRRD...........................................3-4
                      tWTR..........................................3-6
                      tWR............................................4-6
                      tRFC...........................................52-62
                      tRTP...........................................3-5
                      Command Rate (CMD) ....................:2
                      
                      [u][b]Driving Strength Profiles[/b][/u][b][/b]
                      Driving Strength ............................1066
                      
                      [b]Channel A[/b]
                      Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
                       tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
                      tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
                       tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
                       tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
                      Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
                      Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
                      Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
                      Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
                      Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
                      Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
                      
                      [b]Channel B[/b]
                      Static tRead Value.........................:6/7-10 333/B MCH - 8/9-12 400/D MCH
                       tRD Phase0 Adjustment...................:Auto <<< Leave for all below as well
                      tRD Phase1 Adjustment...................:Auto
                       tRD Phase2 Adjustment .................:Auto
                       tRD Phase3 Adjustment..................:Auto
                      Trd2rd(Different Rank)....................:Auto 
                      Twr2wr(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
                      Twr2rd(Different Rank)...................:Auto 
                      Trd2wr(Same/Diff Rank)..................:Auto 
                      Dimm1 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
                      Dimm2 Clock Skew Control...............:Auto  ps
                      
                      [b][U]Motherboard Voltage Control[/U][/b][U][/U]
                      Voltage Type.………... Manual
                      [b]CPU[/b]
                      CPU Vcore….……….........................: All you man, sorry?  Auto should be good at stock though
                      
                      CPU Termination…..... 1.200V*.......: <<< Leave for now at stock, if overclocking do not leave in Auto
                      
                      CPU PLL…………………....1.500V*.......: << Please set to stock, Auto overvolts this way to much
                      
                      CPU Referen.…………....0.755V*.......: <<< .64% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
                      
                      CPU Reference2………,,0.800V*.......:<<< .67% Of Vtt (Termination above) Auto Will set this correctly 
                      
                      [b]MCH/ICH[/b]
                      MCH Core…………….....1.100V...........: << 1.2-1.3 (1.22-1.24 likely good)
                      MCH Reference….…….0.800V...........; <<< Leave
                      MCH/DRAM Ref.…......0.900V...........: <<< Leave
                      ICH I/O……………….....1.550V............: <<< 1.55-1.6
                      ICH Core…………...……1.100V............: <<< 1.14-1.2
                      
                      [b]DRAM[/b]
                      DRAM Voltage ……....1.800V............: 2.0-2.1
                      DRAM Termination .…0.900V............: <<< Leave
                      Channel A Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
                      Channel B Reference 0.900V............: <<< Leave
                      
                      [b][U]Advanced Settings[/U][/b][U][/U]
                      Limit CPUID Max. to 3.....................: [Disabled]
                      No-Execute Memory Protect............: [Enabled]
                      CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E)................: [Disabled]
                      C2/C2E State Support....................: [Disabled]
                      x C4/C4E State Support..................: [Disabled]
                      CPU Thermal Monitor 2(TM2) ...........: [Enabled]
                      CPU EIST Function.........................: [Disabled]
                      Virtualization Technology................: [Disabled] Enabled if you use Vmware/Virtual PC
                      
                      [b][U]Integrated Peripherals[/U][/b][U][/U]
                      Legacy USB Storage Detect ..............[Disabled] *Note* Must be enabled to flash from USB

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                      • #12
                        Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                        I appreciate the response ... I started to capture / mod the M.I.T. info but invariably it hangs in the BIOS, usually after about 15 - 30 sec. (DRAM : 5-5-5-16 @2.0V) If I cycle the PS, restart the Mobo, I can get back in (with the Overclocking / changed voltage msg) but I must believe there is something fundamentally wrong here. If I boot to BIOS shouldn't I be able to remain there for, well, forever? I could enter the modified info a couple of fields at a time and then F10, but what if that makes no difference?

                        Since I exhausted my interest in testing the error conditions for these components, I'm left with the belief that everything must be working correctly EXCEPT for the one component that is the oldest - the CPU. So, unless there exists within your vast store of accumulated knowledge something that is completely non-intuitive that screams don't give up yet I think I'm going to avail myself of NewEgg's free shipping and pick up a E8400. Thoughts?
                        Gigabyte EP45-UD3R
                        Intel Duo E8400
                        Zalman CNPS9700 LED
                        G.Skill 2GB DDR2 1066 x 2 CL 5 5-5-5-15 @ +2.0v
                        XFX 8800GT AD
                        320GB WD RAID1 (2 boot partitions)
                        (3) WD SATA drives (data)
                        SB X-Fi Extreme Gamer
                        Thermaltake 600W
                        Antec 900
                        Vista Home 64b SP1
                        HannsG 28" 1080p

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                        • #13
                          Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                          Well, at least you should then have components that are known to be compatible.

                          The E8400 is well regarded by overclockers — can be pushed harder than the E8500, by all accounts.

                          You're right about the BIOS — once in it you should be able to remain there indefinitely unless there's an external interruption, and at that point the system should be in idle mode so most likely it's not power.

                          I suppose it's possible for one core of a dual processor to be faulty and the system still start, but fail if anything tries to access the faulty bit. Not something I've encountered myself as yet, but it could happen.

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                          • #14
                            Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                            Go for E8400, you won't be disappointment, your Pentium D 820 need to lay down and rest in peace.
                            GA-EP45-UD3R REV 1.1 BIOS F11 (stay away F10F)
                            New Intel Pentium E6500 9x500 FSB=4.5 GHz on air
                            G
                            .SKILL PI BLK 2x2GB DDR2 800 1.8-1.9v CL4 @5.5.5.15 500 MHZ
                            MSI GTX 260 OC 620/1080/1296 (192 SP)
                            PSU BFG TECH GS-550W (DUAL+12V RAILS 18A EACH.)
                            Windows 7 64bit build 7600


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                            • #15
                              Re: Building a new system with EP45-UD3R

                              The issue I think is these boards were specifically launched and boldly stated compatible with VRD 11.1 CPU's and not ANY of the older ones such as this one and then only later with a updated BIOS made to be supposedly functional. I would assume they are trying to overcome a hardware limitation with software and it is just not working out.

                              I would assume your CPU is fine just not in this board

                              8400 is a superb CPU, you will be very happy for sure!

                              Put that 820 on ebay, it will sell for sure, likely $40-60

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