GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

[fifalk]

Hi

I have problem with boot:
- sometimes when i press power button computer does not start - fans start and immediately stop. I have to turn PSU off, wait for a few seconds, turn it on and press power button again. Sometimes I have to repeat that a few times.
- sometimes before computer starts there are few restarts
- sometimes it is OK - i press power and everthing starts

I have read few threads about "boot problem" but I can not find solution...
I have tried a lot of BIOS configurations without positive results.

My config:
- intel core i7 950 3,06 Ghz
- GA-X58A-UD3R rev 1
- Patriot DDR3 2x2GB 1600 PGS34G1600ELK (Patriot Memory - Products)
- Gigabyte GTX460 1GB
- Samsung 1TB
- be quiet Straight Power 680W

Current BIOS settings (F6):

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23)
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]

Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
Uncore Frequency ............................ [x17]
Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]
Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [180]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [Auto]


Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]



##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ [Auto]
tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
tWR ........................................ [Auto]
tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
tWL ........................................ [Auto]
tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [Auto]

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]

Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
CPU Vcore .......................... 1.2375V [Auto]
QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]
CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]

MCH/ICH
PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [auto]
IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [Auto] <-- was 1.8V like in spec, but I retured to auto after boot failed
DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]

Could you give me some advice please? Thanks

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

You should try BIOS F7f

http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList/BIOS/mb_bios_ga-x58a-ud3r_f7f.exe

Your uncore can't be x17, please check this or your memory multi and let us know the correct values of each. If you are actually using x12 memory multiplier, the minimum bootable uncore would be x24, so that is why I say please check.

You may or may not be able to ever stabilize that memory, as it was not made for X58, but we can try.

If you use memory voltage 1.8, then you need to set QPI/Vtt to at least 1.3 manually, QPI/Vtt must remain within at least .5 of dram voltage.

Once you answer my above questions I'll post back some settings to try, but you may be looking at having to buy a new kit of memory designed for X58/P55 (1.65V rated kits)

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

I've checked settings once again (uncore and memory multi)
In my previous post I've made copy-pase mistake (Uncore Frequency x17 - it's not mentioned in my Advanced Frequency Settings section. I have there value: 3200 Mhz):

Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]
Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]

I hope that helps.

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Thanks!

OK set your uncore manually always.

Try these and see how you get along, but you really should be looking at 1.65V rated memory so you are not running 1.8V through your CPU all the time as it's not really healthy.

Wow, you have your memory set at 2160 Mhz (180 Bclk x 12), or is that another copy/paste error with your Bclk? That's probably also part of the issue if you are using 180 bclk.

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23)
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]

Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [Auto]  << Set x36
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz
Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [Auto]  << Set 24-26
Uncore Frequency ...................... 

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [180]  << Set 133, or did you want 180????  If you want 180, I'll have to suggest a different set of settings.
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [Auto]  << Set 100


Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance .................... [Turbo]  << Extreme may be best
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1600
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V
Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.75V
Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]



##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ [Auto]
tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
tWR ........................................ [Auto]
tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
tWL ........................................ [Auto]
tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [Auto]  << Set 1T

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]

Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
CPU Vcore .......................... 1.2375V [Auto]
QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]  << Set 1.3 minimum, but you may need 1.3-1.4
CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]

MCH/ICH
PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [auto]  Set 1.2
IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [Auto] <-- Set 1.8 
DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Thank you for fast reply.

I'm confused about Bclk settings... In my first post I tried to copy every setting carefully. I don't now why I had such value... Maybe is is mistake as you suggest. It is readonly in my settings (I have also "X" on the left side - next to BCLK Frequency (MHz))

I'm sorry about that.

Following your advice I changed my BIOS settings. I'm going to test them and I will report results :)

My current settings (I marked readonly values):

Advanced CPU Features:
CPU Clock Ratio ............................. [23x]
CPU Frequency ................................ 3.06GHz (133x23) //readonly
Intel(R) Turbo Boost Tech ................... [Enabled]
CPU Cores Enabled ........................... [All]
CPU Multi Threading ......................... [Enabled]
CPU Enhanced Halt (C1E) ..................... [Enabled]
C3/C6/C7 State Support ...................... [Enabled]
CPU Thermal Monitor ......................... [Enabled]
CPU EIST Function ........................... [enabled]
Virtualization Technology ................... [Disabled]
Isochronous Support .......................... [Enabled]
Bi-Directional PROCHOT ...................... [Enabled]

Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [x36]
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz  //readonly
Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [x24]
Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz  //readonly

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]
X BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133]  //readonly
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [100]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance .................... [Extreme]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [12.0]
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1066    1600 //I have 2 values there - readonly
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V //readonly
Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.175V //readonly
Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ........................... 8 [9]
tRCD ....................................... 8 [9]
tRP ........................................ 8 [9]
tRAS ....................................... 24 [24]

##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ [Auto]
tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
tWR ........................................ [Auto]
tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
tWL ........................................ [Auto]
tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [1]

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]

Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
CPU Vcore .......................... 1.30625V [Auto]
QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto]
CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]

MCH/ICH
PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [1.30V]
IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [1.800V]
DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]

Let's add summary info:
BIOS ver: F6 (I'll try your settings before flashing beta)
BCLK: 133.27 MHz
CPU Frequency: 3198.67 MHz
Memory Frequency: 1599.50 MHz
Total mem: 4096 MB
Vcore 1.28 V
DRAM Voltage 1.792 V

Is it possible to set lower (healthier) voltage for my memory?
I'm not sure if the setting from Patriot Memory - Products is "the one and only correct". I can accept worse performence at this moment too.

[wazza300]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [Auto] 1.3v minimum he says
its this lsdme says you have to change to his setting,youll find it at the bottom of the page where the bclk setting is

Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Disabled]set to enabled first the it lets you adjust the bclk
X BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133]

set dram voltage to 1.66 in the bios

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Unfortunately - with new settings I still have booting problems.

I've just noticed that:
1) if I switch off Power Strip (PDU) then I'll have booting problems for 99% (fans start and immediately stop).
I wouldn't say it is "cold boot" - I left the computer unpluged for about 1 minute.
Then I have to switch PSU off (with PDU on), wait till "clear cmos" led-button fade, switch PSU on and voila, computer boots (sometimes I have to repeat it a couple of times).

2) if I leave PDU on - then I don't have booting problems...

Could it be hardware issue?

Wazza300, Thank you, I'm going to correct this setting.
edit:
I've changed those settings:

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled] //previous disabled
BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133] //previous 133 readonly - now manually

Advanced Voltage Control:
CPU
QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [1.315V] //previous: auto

MCH/ICH
QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [1.20V] //previous:1.30V

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

One more question - which AC Back Function should be used?

Ashamed to admit it, but during testing I was using "hard switching off" by pressing power button for 4 seconds. I've just noticed that if I switch computer off by system command it boots fine after unplag/plug-in PDU.

Could AC Back Function be the problem here? If that's the problem - how can I easy start the computer after power loss?

[wazza300]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

what is pdu? power surge protection? i have mine set to instant off in the bios

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

We need to get a few things clear here, since this is not 1.65V memory made for these boards, are you now setting the memory voltage manually as well as QPI/Vtt?

You need to, no matter what you set. If you set the stock spec for 1600Mhz of 1.8V, you must set QPI/Vtt to 1.3v at least or you will fry your CPU.

If you want to try lower voltage you can, but you probably wont be able to run the memory at 1600Mhz.

This kit was designed for loose timings at higher voltages for 1600Mhz to be ran on older DDR3 boards, not for these (X58/P55) boards, so it's very likely that it cannot do 1600Mhz at a very much lower voltage.

You may possibly be able to run 1.7-1.75 at 1600, not sure you will have to try and see, but I'm certain it wont do it at 1.65V. Since you are not very familiar with tweaking your BIOS or these motherboards, it would be best if you bought a kit of memory rated at 1.65V, if you can do that it will make your life much easier :)

If you have to keep this memory, then the following are what I suspect it "Might" do:

1600Mhz @ 1.75-1.8V - 9-9-9-24 timings (1.7V not very likely to run 1600Mhz)
1500Mhz @ 1.7-1.75 - 9-9-9-24 timings, possibly 8-8-8-24 (May take the higher voltage for tighter timings)
1333-1450Mhz @ 1.65 - 8-8-8-24 Timings, may do 7-7-7-20 (Ideal)

QPI/Vtt must always be within at least 0.5 of the memory voltage (Does not have to be exactly 0.5, just at least / can be more than), so that means the following:

1.8V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.3V
1.7V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.2V
1.65V memory voltage set - QPI/Vtt must be at least 1.15V (Ideal)

You should always use your operating system "Shut Down" button/function to shut off your computer.

As for the BIOS setting, set it as mentioned above, Instant off.

Leave the computer plugged in, there is no need to unplug it anytime as it will only draw 1-2W at most while off.

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Wazza300, yes by PDU I mean: http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedi..._protector.jpg (I didn't know its english name)

Lsdmeasap, thank you for your comprehensive response.
1) Today morning I switched computer on (yesterday I switched it off by system "shut down"). I had my surge protector off.
During cold boot I noticed 1 "restart" (fans started, stopped and started again).

2) I'll try to sell this memory and I'll buy 1.65V ones as you suggest. For now I changed DRAM settings as follow:

Advanced CPU Features:
Uncore & QPI Features:
QPI Clock Ratio .............................. [x36]
QPI Link Speed .............................. 4.8GHz  //readonly
Uncore Clock Ratio ........................... [x24]
Uncore Frequency ...................... 3200 MHz  //readonly

Standard Clock Control:
Base Clock (BCLK) Control ................ [Enabled]
X BCLK Frequency (MHz) ..................... [133]
PCI Express Frequency (MHz) .............. [100]

Advanced Clock Control:
CPU Clock Drive ............................ [800mV]
PCI Express Clock Drive .................... [900mV]
CPU Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]
IOH Clock Skew ............................. [0ps]

Advanced DRAM Features:
Performance Enhance .................... [Extreme]
System Memory Multiplier (SPD) ........ [10.0] //I have here ...8, 10, 12, 14...
Memory Frequency (Mhz) ................ 1066    1333 //How can I set something between 1333-1600? (1450)
DRAM Timing Selectable (SPD) .......... [Expert]
Profile DDR Voltage ................... 1.5V //readonly
Profile QPI Voltage ................... 1.175V //readonly
Channel Interleaving .................. [Auto]
Rank Interleaving ..................... [Auto]

Channel A + B + C

Channel A Timing Settings:
##Channel A Standard Timing Control##
CAS Latency Time ........................... 7 [7]
tRCD ....................................... 7 [7]
tRP ........................................ 7 [7]
tRAS ....................................... 20 [20]

##Channel A Advanced Timing Control##
tRC ........................................ [Auto]
tRRD ....................................... [Auto]
tWTR ....................................... [Auto]
tWR ........................................ [Auto]
tWTP ....................................... [Auto] 
tWL ........................................ [Auto]
tRFC ....................................... [Auto]
tRTP ....................................... [Auto]
tFAW ....................................... [Auto]
Command Rate (CMD) ......................... [1]

##Channel A Misc Timing Control##
B2B CAS Delay .............................. [Auto]
Round Trip Latency ......................... [Auto]

Advanced Voltage Control:

CPU
Load Line Calibration ...................... [Auto]
CPU Vcore .......................... 1.30625V [Auto]
QPI/VTT Voltage .................... 1.175V [1.155V]
CPU PLL ............................ 1.800V [Auto]

MCH/ICH
PCIE .............................. 1.500v [auto]
QPI PLL ........................... 1.100v [1.20V]
IOH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]
ICH I/O ............................ 1.500v [auto]
ICH Core ........................... 1.100v [auto]

DRAM
DRAM Voltage ....................... 1.500V [1.640V] // I can choose from ... 1.60, 1.62, 1.64, 1.66 (this and all above has purple color) ... - I chose "last safest" :)
DRAM Termination ................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Data VRef. .................... 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-A Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-B Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]
Ch-C Address VRef. ................. 0.750v [AUTO]

3) In my AC Back Function I have:
- Soft-off
- Full-On
- Memory
I have there "Soft off" all the time.
To be sure - "Instant off" is the same as "Soft off", am I right? :)

4) I used hard-power-off becouse I hadn't got system installed yet (I'm unable to install Win7x64 - I'm still looking for solution for (probably) SATA drivers problem. Yesterday I installed Win7x86 for testing purpouse).

I've just noticed that if I use system-shut-down - "clear cmos" led-button turns off immediately. If I use hard-power-off - "clear cmos" led-button stay hightlighted (and I have boot problems then).
Is it OK?

Should I be able to boot without problems after hard-power-off/"power loss"?
I've simmulated "power loss" by switching my PSU off. Now I'm unable to start my computer (led-button stay hightlighted when PSU is on, regardless of whether the computer is turned on).

[wazza300]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

if the pc is still plugged into the power socket/wall and its turned on at the wall but not on the pc,then the blue cmos light will stay on,this is normal and when you press front panel power switch it should start and boot up,only when you unplug the pc at the wall the blue cmos light will go out

[Lsdmeasap]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Do you have memory multiplier x10 set, and x24 uncore set?

If so please lower your uncore to 20-22, it will be more stable for you (x20 Uncore would be the norm for x10 memory multi).

Soft-Off by PWR-BTTN:
Instant-Off - Press the power button and then the system will be turned off instantly. (Default)
Delay 4 Sec. - Press and hold the power button for 4 seconds to turn off the system. If the power button is pressed for less than 4 seconds, the system will enter suspend mode.

I think you will be fine, once you have a system installed and stop using your power strip to shut off the computer.

[fifalk]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

Today I replaced this motherboard (rev 1.0) - I got new one (rev 2.0).

Now I have worse problem - I can't even turn on the computer. It's rebooting, rebooting, rebooting...
I've tried clearing BIOS - without success. I've checked all connections.

Could you give me some advice?

My config:
- intel core i7 950 3,06 Ghz
- GA-X58A-UD3R rev 1
- Patriot DDR3 2x2GB 1600 PGS34G1600ELK
- Gigabyte GTX460 1GB
- Samsung 1TB
- be quiet Straight Power 680W

[wazza300]

Re: GA-X58A-UD3R boot problem

plugged ram in white slots? checked all power cables? removed mb battery and put back in and tried? tried with a different psu?