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    Uh oh! This will be a big mistake for Microsoft. The reason being is that this will just give Linux more than enough time to come up with a Windows killer! But that would make my day anyway!

    I'd bet that my system requirements right now would definitely not be supported, but first I better update my sig! :D Here's my predicted system requireents for Longhorn:

    Intel Pentium 4 1.6 GHz or AMD Athlon XP 1600+
    384 MB RAM (512 MB Recommended)
    About 8 GB of disk space, considering the amount all the unnecessary crap Microsoft is going to implement in Longhorn.
    64 MB 3D Accelerator
    Cable/ADSL/T1/T3 connection

    There will probably be other things to add to this proposed list I have in mind, but what I can see, Microsoft will have gone too far that Linux and Apple can simply take over. Real progress has been made over the years concerning Linux, but it will eventually take over Windows, LOL! :cheers::LOL:

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    It's time for MS to pull the old switcheroo on everyone and come out with an os that would really be two in one (shades of DOS & Windows 3.11) with real choices of a stripped down for specific applications os coupled with the I can do everything os. Bill G has never listened to me in the past however.

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    We'd be in a world of hurt without MS. And thats one hell of an understatement.
    "In their capacity as a tool, computers will be but a ripple on the surface of our culture. In their capacity as intellectual challenge, they are without precedent in the cultural history of mankind." - Edsger Dijkstra

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    It would be nicer though if the hurt didn't rebound as much into our wallets. ;)


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    That sounds nice, but then MS wouldn't be able to hire the best and the brightest in the world, and then Windows wouldn't be as good. And then you'd REALLY complain.

    This has been tried thousands of times in a system called Communism, and it has failed miserably EVERY time. In fact, MS software prices would be far under HALF what they are now, if the Socialist Democrats in our government didn't insist on taxing MS SO heavily. When you pay 300$ for XP Pro, 180$ of it goes straight to the US Government as income tax. Sadly, we have some powerful Socalists driving up taxes and the prices of goods, with them. So Wiggo, you have noone to blame more than those who have chosen to heavily tax the wealthy, who are in this case, Socialists.

    But, Socialists or not, therein lies the absolute beauty of Capitalism. Anyone of us here can write our own OS, and then sell it for WHATEVER price we choose. With all the potential money to be made selling OS's surely the most brilliant of people are trying to write and market a better OS, but as it stands, noone can EVEN COME CLOSE to competing with MS. And until they do, MS will be in charge, making our lives easier by the minute.
    "In their capacity as a tool, computers will be but a ripple on the surface of our culture. In their capacity as intellectual challenge, they are without precedent in the cultural history of mankind." - Edsger Dijkstra

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    Mr. z, exactly where did you get that $180 dollars out of the $300 sales price goes for taxes figure? What you been smokin'?

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    Nothing.

    When you spend 300$ on XP, an additional 300$ is added to Microsoft's Income, and since MS employees are near or in the highest tax bracket, their salaries are taxes just over 50%

    "In 1982, Congress passed President Reagan's plan to cut the highest rate on personal income tax from 70% to 50%"
    http://www.factmonster.com/ce6/bus/A0825078.html

    And 50% is roughly where it is today for the highest tax bracket. If you earn less than 20 Grand, you don't pay ANY income tax, and just to put this in perspective, the top 10% of wage earners pay 60% of the Nation's taxes. And despite that the poorest 10% of US citizens are STILL on average more wealthy than 70% of the world's population.

    So, for the 300$ MS earned on your purchase of XP, 150$ of it went STRAIGHT to the US government as Income tax. If we had a flat tax, (everyone would be taxed 17% of every dollar they earn) Then to keep MS's TOP NOTCH employees, MS would need to make a NET profit of 150$ PER copy of XP, and to do so, we need to add the 17% that will be taxed, (150*1.17) which means XP would hit the market at $175.50. BUT we've elected too many socialist democrats who are too short sighted to realize that lower taxes and less government, means lower prices for everyone.

    As soon as we realize that MS should not have to pay 5$ in tax for every $10 dollars they earn, a system which allows the poorest 50% to pay almost NO taxes.(less than 3% of the US's total tax) But instead make everyone pay $1.70 in tax for every $10 dollars they earn, and everything would be cheaper for everyone.

    If you want to see the numbers I quote, they are wonderfully graphed right here: http://www.allegromedia.com/sugi/taxes/

    And if you think a flat tax is Harsh, CONSIDER WHATS FAIR. The USA is like a giant Hotel. Everyone needs a room, and all rooms cost the same amount. Everyone has access to the shower and the pool and the sink. And in my analogy everyone has access to the best highway system in the world, the state and national parks, the court system, police, etc. Everyone has equal access. Now, ITS ONLY FAIR to charge everyone the SAME amount, just like in a hotel, everyone pays the same for the same room. So the FAIR taxation method would be to charge every person 8 thousand dollars a year just to live here!... No other taxes of any kind would occur. Thats as fair as you can get. Just like a hotel. Everyone has access to the SAME goods and services provited by the government (hotel) In THIS system, XP would only cost 151$.

    Now a flat tax seems like a good compromise... ehh? ;) ;) ;)
    "In their capacity as a tool, computers will be but a ripple on the surface of our culture. In their capacity as intellectual challenge, they are without precedent in the cultural history of mankind." - Edsger Dijkstra

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    Not sure how you connect Microsoft the company with what taxes their employees pay. The top tax bracket for individuals by the way is under 40% currently. When Microsoft sells something for $300 very little of that $300 is paid in taxes. Most of it pays expenses such as salaries, equipment etc. They get additional deductions for depreciation etc. If you compare their gross revenues with the actual tax paid to the government, it would be astonishing to you how little of that software sales price actually goes toward paying Microsoft's tax burden.

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    Not sure how you connect Microsoft the company with what taxes their employees pay
    Because for MS to be able to hire the people they employ, they must be able to pay top dollar for them, and therefore, the employees are only getting what isn't taxed. So in order to pay someone 50 Grand, you actually have to EARN 100 Grand, therefore the products of the company must also follow that ratio. What i mean is, if MS needs 150$ PER copy to pay the employees that created it, then given what their employees will be taxed, they need to charge 300$ per copy just to contend with Income tax.

    The top tax bracket for individuals by the way is under 40% currently.
    Ah ha! You are correct, the Federal Tax is 39.5%, however then you also need to add in State taxes which varies from state to state.

    When Microsoft sells something for 0 very little of that 0 is paid in taxes. Most of it pays expenses such as salaries
    Thats right! and Salaries are Taxed HARD. Just imagine if MS could hire the brilliant people they have with only HALF the money. The prices of their product would come down a BUNCH wouldn't they?
    "In their capacity as a tool, computers will be but a ripple on the surface of our culture. In their capacity as intellectual challenge, they are without precedent in the cultural history of mankind." - Edsger Dijkstra

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    So the real point is the government ends up with most of the money from everything we buy. Correct. Let's not give them as much to misuse.

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