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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus7001
    I hear this everyday. Ppl complain that their fully capable cpu is slowing down their gfx, when it is really the gfx card. A 3ghz p4 aint gonna help in this situation.:laugh:
    I got the same cpu(maybe the stepping is different?) and all my gfx are clear and fast. Even before when in the heatwave @all stock speeds. As for the overclock, intel chipsets are usually on boards that dont oc. All I did was turn the fsb to 133 from 100 on my board. And voila, magic 1.6ghz. :thumb: I don't think that would be possable with the stock hsf, I didnt want to find out. Oh and on all comparisons, it beats a p4 1.7/1.8 with pc800ram. Need to know more about your machine.
    That's pure BS, it takes a Celeron near 3ghz to match a P4 1.8a in gaming performance. And that is the latest .13 celeron, not yours.

    :rolleyes:

    If you want a link i'll dig it up...

    FX5900 - 3DMark2001 [20,566] - 3DMark2003 [7,281] - Aquamark3 [56,694]
    Ti4400 - 3DMark2001 [16,028]

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    That's pure BS, it takes a Celeron near 3ghz to match a P4 1.8a in gaming performance. And that is the latest .13 celeron, not yours.
    First of all, 1a-1.4a teulatin celerons are all 256L2 cache with .13 micron. And stock 100mhz fsb. intel link
    And you obviously don't know much about pr ratings or fsb speeds and what they do. And about how a p4 requires a large clockspeed advantage to compete with athlon xp and pIII/cel a. It's like comparing apples, oranges, and mangos. Do some reading and testing of your own before you call bs. Tom's hardware spent 300 hours benchmarking so uninformed ppl could see the real truth about cpu's and not go by intels misinformation of late. Heres tom's results for pcmark2002. Tom's link Also note that all testing at Tom's was with a radeon 9700pro which is megafaster than what gfx card I got, I have a 9000pro.

    Here's more proof, my results for pcmark'02:
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    and here
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    It also seems that my cpu scores right up there with p4 1.8 and celeron 1.7 in sandra 2003 cpu bench and beats p4 1.6 in sandra database. Tom's link
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    And also seems to beat p4 2.0a with 266ddr in sandra 2003 cpu multimedia(same Tom's link as above). And also beats p4 1.6 and 2.0 in sandra database. As you can plainly see.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    And furthermore, I never said that a celeron is better than a p4, I was only pointing out that the performance of celeron a's is highly under rated. And in some or more cases, they outperform p4's with higher clockspeeds. So much for state of the art:laugh: :flames:
    And sorry for all the post's, but as most of you regulars know, I would never blindly give bad advice about something I know nothing about. And this guy had it coming.
    All of the compare url's are clearly visable, and here is mine My pcmark compare url
    Here is an extreme example of what I am talking about(notice he/she has 800mhz fsb and 2gig ram):
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    While I agree your right about a Celeron based on the Tualuatin core being faster than many of the early p4's because of the more efficient core architecture I just wanted to point out that the 3dmark compare scores you showed would be more valid for comparing cpu speeds if the compared systems had the same vidcard as yours, especially in the extreme example where that person's system is bottlenecked only by their GF2 vidcard, their cpu would trounce a Celeron in any cpu only tests :cheers:

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    1.2 ghz is already enough for games right now (maybe not HL-2)

    the net cafe i go to alot has teh following setup

    1.0celeron
    256mb rdram
    20gb HD
    MX 2 video card
    generic case
    asus mobo

    the computer can run battle field, and matrix, and UT2003 smoothly. I dont seee why ur saying 1200celron is not enough.

    I can even play CS with my 536mhz p3 , with 128mb of pc133 ram,, and intergrated 16mb v -chip.
    My new gaming rig..

    [size=1.28]asus a78nx-deluxe
    2x256mb pc 3200 ddr 400.(with cooling)
    athlon Xp 2500+ ( at 200x10=2000mhz .)
    seagate 80gb 8mb SATA
    Tt vlocano 7+ cpu cooling
    Clear case from HK.
    Leaktek fx5600 128mb
    enermax 350w PSU
    wireless internet setup[/size]


    (game/ftp server) windows xp pro, duron 1.4ghz, 256mb pc 2100 2x40gb Hd, radeon 9200se chieftec dragon
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    I was very careful not to use results from any direct 3d benchmarks. As that would reflect gfx performance more than cpu. It was pcmark 2002(not 3d mark '01 or '03) and sandra 2003. Which are cpu benchmarks. But good point anyway.
    The only real difference between socket370 celeron and pIII are the fsb speed and L2 cache size. Thus, I am runnin at 133fsb and have 256kb L2. Creating an unheard of 33% oc. It's now basically a 1.6 ghz pIII with 256 L2. I don't think many cpu's can do that without liquid or at least high end air cooling. (try a 33% oc on a 3ghz p4) :no:
    Anyway I just looked at the 3d mark '01 chart at Tom's and found similar results. And since all the testing was done with a 9700pro, I can't compare them with my results since my results are with a 9000pro. But they can be compared with others on the same chart. Tom's 3d mark '01 link
    Notice that the pIII 1.4 beats the p4 1.8, 1.5 and the p4 style celeron 2ghz. Even the pIII 1.2 beats the p4 1.5. The p4 needs a 2ghz clockspeed with pc800 and the p4 1.8a needs ddr266 to beat the pIII 1.4 with pc133. As everyone knows, different ram will change a 3d score.
    :cheers:
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    Ahh I didnt notice that that was the Pcmark score-- just assumed it was 3dmark cuz of the futuremark page lol :o Gotta look more carefully next time. But yeah the p3 based Celerons are some real good budget chips, especially if you can get a nice OC out of them :thumb: :cheers:

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