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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Did you notice that the condition of the board in the link you provided is:

    Item condition: For parts or not working

    Lower down on the page it mentions 100% tested and in working order, so who knows what is correct.

    A CM TX3, with push pin mounting and 92mm fan, is better than a CM 212's "horrible 212 mounting system" (not push pin, single screw pressure mount but uses a backplate), with 120mm fan? An i5-2500K at 5GHz with a TX3?! No mention of temperatures of course.

    The i5-2500K is a 95W TDP processor, the X5460 is a 120W TDP processor. The Tcase spec for the 2500K is 73C, Tcase for the X5460 is 63C. Plus you want to OC the X5460?

    Why look for a SATA II speed SSD when you can get a SATA III SSD that you can use with another board in the future? Be careful with cheap SSDs, they can be quite poor in quality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    Did you notice that the condition of the board in the link you provided is:

    Item condition: For parts or not working

    Lower down on the page it mentions 100% tested and in working order, so who knows what is correct.
    Ah, good catch. I noticed this on several other motherboards but missed it on this one for some reason. I might have to wait around a bit for something more legit-looking to pop up

    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    A CM TX3, with push pin mounting and 92mm fan, is better than a CM 212's "horrible 212 mounting system" (not push pin, single screw pressure mount but uses a backplate), with 120mm fan? An i5-2500K at 5GHz with a TX3?! No mention of temperatures of course.
    It seems I have more research to do on fans.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Using DDR3 memory with P45 motherboards was often iffy at best.

    Check out SmOgER's posts towards the end of the Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock thread for his results with DDR3 memory.
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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Quote Originally Posted by parsec View Post
    An i5-2500K at 5GHz with a TX3?! No mention of temperatures of course.
    1.465v, between 85-90. Obviously didn't run it daily at this, was for a benchmark but if the little TX3 can handle a 2500k at 5ghz it should be enough for a mild overclock on the 5460. Got it running at 5.1ghz with 1.48v but it throttled, miss that old thing it was a beast.
    And yes, the 212s horrible mounting system. Had a 212X to replace the TX3, after feeling it move around so much with only a minor reduction in temps (like 4-5 degrees) i decided to just go back to the TX3 when i got a new case.

    As for the SSD, in the future when it comes time to upgrade he'll probably pick up a 120gb for cheap making the 60gb pointless
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Using DDR3 memory with P45 motherboards was often iffy at best.

    Check out SmOgER's posts towards the end of the Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock thread for his results with DDR3 memory.
    Ah, I hadn't read far enough into the thread to realize that there had been problems with DDR3. Do you recall exactly what page it was on, or should I just track backwards until I find it?

    By the way, that thread was my motivation for registering and posting on this forum in the first place. I saved some screenshots and several of your posts for future reference before I had even signed up. :]

    Quote Originally Posted by MattVRX View Post
    As for the SSD, in the future when it comes time to upgrade he'll probably pick up a 120gb for cheap making the 60gb pointless
    While this is true, if I can get the SATA III drive for the same price or cheaper, I will. No harm in making it my secondary local backup/media drive after I get a better one.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Don't know if anyone is still watching this thread; I've spent the last few days making backups and generally being busy with other things so I haven't had time to continue researching this overclock build. However I did have a few more questions.

    After doing some more internet research there seems to be some consensus that DDR3 for LGA 775 is unstable. However, the GA-EP45-UD3P referenced in the thread that profJim linked goes for over $300 refurbished on ebay, and the "next best thing" (the UD3LR) is still over $100, making it effectively out of my price range. Any ideas on a motherboard that could still get me up to 3.8 GHz but is within my budget? I'd prefer mATX but I can't really afford to be picky.

    Also, it seems like some people have had trouble installing Windows 7 x64 with the modified X5460. I downloaded a hotfix that might remedy this issue should I encounter it, but has anyone else encountered this problem? It seems the solution has something to do with updating the BIOS, which seems risky.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    As I recall SmOgER originally used a higher end Asus P45 motherboard that used DDR3 memory.

    Last October I bought an EP45-UD3P system on eBay (USA) which included 8GB of higher end DDR2 memory, a Q9550, HD6950 video card and a Scythe Mugen 2 cpu cooler for less than $250. I only wanted the motherboard but decided to keep the rest of the hardware. And yes, I got lucky!! At that time used, not refurbished EP45-UD3P's from private parties were going for $100 - $125 but at that time bidders didn't want to pay for a nearly complete system.

    Luke did pretty well with his P35-DS3L but couldn't get his X5460 stable at 4.0GHz. As I recall the EP45-UD3P that he bought in the U.K. was about $100 (USD).

    Chances are that any of the higher end P45 boards from other manufacturers will do nicely, but you'll need to research the original mobo reviews to make the right choice. For what it's worth, I had a much easier time overclocking my Q9650 with my P35-DS4 to 4.10GHz. The only problem with the P35 is that if I wanted to use both of the x16 pci-e slots at the same time, I wouldn't be able to use any of the x1 pci-e slots.

    Keep in mind that older compatible DDR3 memory might be less expensive than comparable DDR2 memory. Last year a 2 x 2GB kit of higher end DDR2 memory was going for about $80. With the "right" DDR3 memory you might reach 1600MHz, but many struggled to get their memory speeds at or above ~1333MHz.

    Send SmOgER a PM, include a link to this thread and ask him for his words of wisdom.

    Good luck, let us know how you make out.
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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Ah, the pearls of wisdom fall at last.

    I'll do as you suggest and send SmOgER a PM, when I get home. I had forgotten about the rise in DDR2 price due to scarcity, so that will probably factor into my plans. Thanks for the feedback.

    Also posting to this forum from mobile is really annoying. Wow.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    You're welcome, glad to help out.

    Careful there; pearls of wisdom? You'll ruin my hard earned reputation.

    See if SmOgER has any hardware for sale, the last that I heard he was going to buy and resell Xeon processors.
    Maybe he has a motherboard and/or memory that he can sell you.

    Posting to the forum from a mobile phone? You're a better man than I am.
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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Well I sent SmOgER a PM a few days ago, but since it still reads unconfirmed I'm guessing he hasn't seen it yet. Maybe he doesn't have email alerts for his PMs. It looks like I'll have to keep doing research without his input, unfortunately.

    It looks like DDR2 prices aren't so bad; there's an 8gb set for $25 on ebay right now which seems pretty reasonable. If that's the case I think I'll be reconsidering a DDR2 motherboard. Here are a few that I was looking at, based on current ebay prices:


    GIGABYTE GA-EP45-UD3L [$69]
    ASUS P5Q SE PLUS [$69]
    GIGABYTE GA-EP45-DS3LR [$70]
    ASUS P5Q TURBO [$72]
    MSI P45 Neo3 V2 [$75]

    I believe the Gigabyte UD3L would perform comparably to the superior UD3P, but lacks features like Crossfire or RAID capability, which I am not too attached to. However the DS3LR and Neo3 have ICH10R I/O controller, which I gather means having native AHCI support which equates to faster hard drive speeds even with SSDs. I haven't found much yet in terms of their overclocking ability though. Any ideas?

    Honestly I'm leaning toward the P5Q Turbo since it has SATA II support and ICH10R. It also seems to have an easy pre-OS utility for updating the BIOS. However there may be some obvious advantage some other board has that I'm overlooking.
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