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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    AHCI and SATA II is standard on all P45 motherboard.
    I would go with the P5Q Turbo just because the fancy VRMs heat spreader.
    But read user reviews first and see if you can find anything on each of them and Xeon X5460

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    I would go with the P5Q Turbo just because the fancy VRMs heat spreader.
    Yeah, after reading up on VRM and MOSFET that was the first thing that I noticed about the board; based on the heatsinks alone you can tell it was built with overclocking in mind.

    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    But read user reviews first and see if you can find anything on each of them and Xeon X5460
    Good idea. Based on my preliminary research it seems like the P5Q could have problems posting with the Xeon unless you mod the BIOS. I think it has something to do with RAM speed not matching? I'll have to look into that more.

    Are heat spreaders any use with overclocking builds? I've heard they are useless but with a good amount of airflow in the case I wondered if they could actually make a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LivingNexus View Post
    Are heat spreaders any use with overclocking builds? I've heard they are useless but with a good amount of airflow in the case I wondered if they could actually make a difference.
    I think they are made for a reason.
    My P43 heat spreader on the EP43-UD3L used to get very hot, the one on the P45 of the EP45-UD3LR was barely warm, I cannot tell if it is due to the different design or what.
    I also improvised VRM cooling on both of those boards http://forums.tweaktown.com/gigabyte...tml#post308275
    One thing you have to consider is that all of those boards are very old, 5+ years and may pass away shortly, both my P4x boards are now dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chike View Post
    both my P4x boards are now dead.
    I know I'm rolling the dice, which is why I want to get the best quality board I can for my budget. I'm hoping that even buying used, a decent quality board will hold up for at least a couple more years.

    Where did you get those cool mini heatsinks for the chokes in that picture you linked?

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    Was at 2009, you don't expect me to remember LOL.
    Google mosfet heatsink

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    It was only 6 years ago

    Based on what I'm seeing from this list of compatible motherboards, the P5Q Turbo was reported to work with the E0 X5450. The P5Q SE Plus was reported to work with several different types of Xeons including the X5492 and the E5450. The DS3LR wasn't listed, but the DS3L worked with the L5420. The Neo3 V2 wasn't listed, but the Neo, Neo2, and Neo-F versions all worked with the C0 E5450. The UD3L was reported to work with the X5460 as confirmed by several users of this forum.

    Based in this and various anecdotal reports I can infer that all of these boards should be able to run the E0 X5460, even if it requires a bit of BIOS tinkering. The question remains as to which is the best, and it's hard to find data that compares these motherboards head to head...at least in English. One Asian site I found rated the P5Q Turbo way above the UD3L; perhaps because it has some features the other lacks and uses an 8-phase power mode as opposed to 4-phase. However, based on their information the P5Q lacks any kind of baked-in hardware monitoring, which the UD3L comes with. There were no user reviews of the P5Q to compare with the UD3L ones though.

    The DS3LR also seems to use a 4-phase system although its page on the Intel site boasts some kind of "multi-gear" phase switching, whatever that means. It's supposed to save power during idle and deliver "ultra smooth overclocking performance." However, other websites describe it as a "low end" board. It apparently doesn't support VRD10 CPUs.

    Although I couldn't find any data, by the picture on eBay it looks like the Neo3 v2 also uses a 4-phase setup. That makes the P5Q Turbo the only board in this list with an 8-phase VRM. Since my understanding is that this design is superior for overclocking, this board seems to be the best choice among this list by this metric. However, I'm willing to concede that there may still be something I'm overlooking.

    Anecdotal evidence and my modest research seem to agree that the P5Q Turbo is very good for overclocking. Not as good as, say, the Pro or Pro Turbo versions, or the UD3P. Until I come across any data that suggests otherwise, for the time being I think I'm going to settle on this as my pick for a DDR2 board.

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    I also want to take a second to thank you guys - Chike, MattVRX, parsec, and profJim - for taking the time to help me sift through all these options and come to solid conclusions. Without your guidance I'd still probably be stuck groping in the dark for what criteria make a good overclocking system. I hope you'll continue to guide me through this process, because your input is greatly appreciated.
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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    You can check out [MOD] LGA775 Support For LGA771 Xeon CPUs to see what others have used but....
    ....there are 6,635 posts in the thread since October 5, 2013!!!
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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Yeah...I believe I ran across this thread a few times looking up certain boards, but I didn't notice the "search this thread" function until I looked at it just now. Thanks for prompting me to double-check it. I'll have to go through it later today.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    Just as an update, I recently found someone selling a P5Q Deluxe motherboard on reddit, which is a couple of steps up from what I was originally looking for, with its original packaging and accessories, and the best part is that it's already 771 modded. The seller included a Pentium E2160 and stock cooler as well as a 9400GT since the board has no internal graphics. I bought this along with a 430W 80+ Gold PSU for $82.

    I found another guy selling 800Mhz DDR2 for $4/GB which was as good a deal as any I could find, so I bought four 2GB sticks and a 160GB 7200RPM HDD he had laying around for $42. Then I bought a case on sale from Newegg for $26. So in terms of my original budget, I'm actually (very slighty) ahead and got way more for my money besides.

    The 9400GT unfortunately doesn't have enough shaders to be a dedicated PhysX card (bummer), but it's decent enough and is still far and away better than the integrated graphics in my laptop. It should easily let me watch 1080p youtube videos and play up-res emulated games. Even so, I'd like to get the most performance out of it that I can until I am able to get a real graphics card, so obviously I'm going to overclock it.

    I still need to get an X5460, a better cooler, better GPU, and an SSD to consider this gaming rig "build complete." The Xeon has actually come down in price a bit, and I've seen several very good deals on SSD's float by on reddit but wasn't able to take advantage of them before they were snatched up. Unfortunately I'm out of money for the moment so it will be a couple of weeks before I can do any more, but I'm really happy about buying a basically fully-functioning computer for $150. I'll update again when all my components come in and I've put it all together.

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    Default Re: Theoretical build good for overclocking? [Xeon X5460]

    In the TT MOD 771 thread, keeping a highly overclocked X5460 cpu at reasonable temperatures was a challenge.

    Don't just buy a cheap ssd and don't buy any ssd that uses asynchronous Nand.
    Check out http://forums.tweaktown.com/storage-...rformance.html

    I recently installed a raid 0 boot drive using two Crucial BX100 250GB ssd's.
    The BX100 250GB ssd is a budget priced ssd with very good performance and sells for $80 - $85.
    The sata2 bandwidth on P45 motherboards means that you won't reach rated sata3 speeds, but it's still a worthwhile upgrade.
    A 256GB ssd will have better performance than a 128GB ssd.
    I posted some ssd benchmarks in Socket 771 Mod Xeon X5460 GA-P35-DS3L Overclock, post #655 & #666.

    Your P5Q Deluxe motherboard was a higher end board in it's day, it has a full set of features and should be a very good overclocker.

    What is the brand name and model number of your 430 watt, 80 Plus gold rated power supply?
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
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