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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    So I popped open my case and sure enough, the OV pins were set to 1-2 instead of 2-3. I reset them and everything booted up fine, no CPU Over Voltage error. However, when I tried to reset my overclock settings, I got a black screen with the 1234F: _ prompt. Hitting any other number but 1 just gave me another line with the same prompt. Hitting 1 gave me the error message "MBR is missing". Changing my BIOS settings back to default did nothing. So I guess I messed up my boot drive again. And yes, I did power off my PSU and hold the power button again to reset everything, but I still got the 1234F error.

    Other than updating my motherboard drivers and downloading the Marvell Windows Updates, I don't think I have any other Asus programs installed. I'm going to try to restore my SSD from the image I backed up. if that doesn't work I will switch to my other SSD and load windows onto that, and use the smaller one in my laptop like I intended in the first place.

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    So, by some unknown means I was able to boot to Windows again. I think it was trying to boot to one of my other drives for some reason. I will troubleshoot this later to make sure, but for now it seems like the mysterious Over Voltage error has been defeated, thanks to your help.

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    I bumped up the FSB to 270MHz and the system seems stable after 3.5 hours. Temps got up to 63C but it seemed to hover around 50C for the most part. Once I push the CPU as far as I think it can go, I'll work on getting a 1:1 ratio and possibly pushing my RAM down to CL4. Then I'll scale it back a bit, add the other 4GB of RAM back in. I updated the imgur album and gdoc changelog.
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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    So I hit a hard wall jumping from 300FSB to 330. No matter what I did I couldn't get it stable, so I rolled my settings back found that the wall is actually at 313, meaning my highest stable overclock right now is 312FSB at 2.8GHz CPU and 519MHz DRAM. Here is the imgur album with the latest Prime95 screenshots added. Here is the gdoc changelog with my latest settings added -- as usual, the items in bold are the ones I changed. Just for gigs I ran a Futuremark test and got a score of 1815. A marginal improvement but you can't expect too much when I haven't even tried to overclock the video card yet.

    Even though these settings were stable, as you can probably see, temperatures were as high as 67C. My assumption is that with higher settings, as temps reached 69-70C, the system would fail. I will probably set it back to 300FSB and use that as my standard overclock. It's too bad I couldn't push it any higher. That said, I have to admit that a 1.0GHz overclock on stock cooling is pretty amazing to me.

    So I guess my question is..what's next?
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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    Your current 56% overclock isn't too shabby especially with your stock Intel cpu cooler.

    From the HWiNFO sensor information, your cpu has a Tj Max setting of 90o(C) and to avoid cpu throttling the cpu core temperatures should be at least 20o(C) below the Tj Max setting for your cpu.

    The wall that you hit might be due to using the 200MHz memory strap.

    Try the following settings to see if you can easily O/C higher than 312MHz:

    Code:
    CPU Ratio Setting: 8 or 8.5 if your bios lets you use the .5 multiplier  
    FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 MHz 
    FSB Frequency: 333
    DRAM Frequency: 1066MHz
    The goal is to see how high you can overclock with a higher FSB with "reasonable" core temperatures by keeping the overall cpu speed close to 2.80GHz.
    Some other combinations that might work include 8 x 350MHz and 7 x 400MHz.

    CPU Voltage might need a small increase
    Row Refresh Cycle Time: 64 might help with stability
    FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24 <--- slightly higher might help, but keep it at least 0.05 volts lower than the CPU voltage setting



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    For your latest bios settings I copied and pasted from your Log 4 settings into this post. From the forum's Advanced editor window, after you select/highlight all of the pasted bios settings, you can click on the Wrap Code option (the # key) to include all of the settings in a smaller, scrolling window.

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    LOG 4
    
    JumperFree Configuration Settings: 
    
    AI Overclock tuner: Manual 
    CPU Ratio Setting: 9 
    FSB Strap to North Bridge: 200 
    FSB Frequency: 312
    PCI-E Frequency: 100
    DRAM Frequency: 1041MHz
    Mhz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO 
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO 
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO 
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
    DRAM Timing Control: Manual 
    
    1st Information :
     CAS# Latency: 5 
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5 
    DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5 
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15 
    RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO 
    Row Refresh Cycle Time: 60
    Write Recovery Time: AUTO 
    Read to Precharge Time: AUTO 
    
    2nd Information : 
    READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO 
    Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO 
    WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO 
    READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO 
    READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO 
    WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO 
    WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO 
    
    3rd Information : 
    WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
     READ to PRE Delay: AUTO 
    PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO 
    ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO 
    ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO 
    DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled 
    DRAM Read Training: Disabled
    MEM. OC Charger: Enabled 
    AI Clock Twister: Lighter AI 
    Transaction Booster: Manual 
    Common Performance Level [10] 
    Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED 
    Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED 
    CPU Voltage: 1.: 1.325
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO 
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO 
    CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
    FSB Termination Voltage: 1.24
    DRAM Voltage: 2.1
    NB Voltage: 1.14
    NB GTL Reference: AUTO 
    SBridge Voltage: 1.20 
    PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60 
    Load Line Calibration: Enabled 
    CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled 
    PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled 
    CPU Clock Skew : Auto
    NB Clock Skew : Auto 
    CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized
    
    Advance CPU Settings :
    CPU Ratio Setting: 9
    CPU VID: Default 
    C1E Suppport: Disabled 
    Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled 
    Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled 
    Vanderpool Technology: Disabled 
    CPU TM Function: Enabled


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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    My BIOS wouldn't let me use 8.5 so I tested 8 x 333FSB first to make sure it was stable, then I kicked it up to 8 x 350. When that was stable I tried 7 x 400 but my system failed to boot.



    Code:
    LOG 6
    
    JumperFree Configuration Settings:
    
    AI Overclock tuner: Manual
    CPU Ratio Setting: 8
    FSB Strap to North Bridge: 333 
    FSB Frequency: 350
    PCI-E Frequency: 100
    DRAM Frequency: AUTO
    Mhz DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A1: AUTO
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel A2: AUTO
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B1: AUTO
    DRAM CLK Skew on Channel B2: AUTO
    DRAM Timing Control: Manual
    
    1st Information :
     CAS# Latency: 5
    DRAM RAS# to CAS# Delay: 5
    DRAM RAS# Precharge: 5
    DRAM RAS# Activate to Precharge: 15
    RAS# to RAS# Delay : AUTO
    Row Refresh Cycle Time: 65
    Write Recovery Time: AUTO
    Read to Precharge Time: AUTO
    
    2nd Information :
    READ to WRITE Delay (S/D): AUTO
    Write to Read Delay (S): AUTO
    WRITE to READ Delay (D): AUTO
    READ to READ Delay (S): AUTO
    READ to READ Delay (D): AUTO
    WRITE to WRITE Delay (S): AUTO
    WRITE to WRITE Delay (D): AUTO
    
    3rd Information :
    WRITE to PRE Delay: AUTO
     READ to PRE Delay: AUTO
    PRE to PRE Delay: AUTO
    ALL PRE to ACT Delay: AUTO
    ALL PRE to REF Delay: AUTO
    DRAM Static Read Control: Disabled
    DRAM Read Training: Disabled
    MEM. OC Charger: Enabled
    AI Clock Twister: Lighter AI
    Transaction Booster: Manual
    Common Performance Level [10]
    Pull-In of CHA PH1: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHA PH2: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHA PH3: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHA PH4: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHB PH1: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHB PH2: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHB PH3: DISABLED
    Pull-In of CHB PH4: DISABLED
    CPU Voltage: 1.33750
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference (0/2): AUTO
    CPU GTL Voltage Reference (1/3): AUTO
    CPU PLL Voltage: 1.56
    FSB Termination Voltage: 1.28
    DRAM Voltage: 2.14
    NB Voltage: 1.14
    NB GTL Reference: AUTO
    SBridge Voltage: 1.20
    PCIE SATA Voltage: 1.60
    Load Line Calibration: Enabled
    CPU Spread Spectrum: Disabled
    PCIE Spread Spectrum: Disabled
    CPU Clock Skew : Auto
    NB Clock Skew : Auto
    CPU Margin Enhancement: Optimized
    
    Advance CPU Settings :
    CPU Ratio Setting: 8
    CPU VID: Default
    C1E Suppport: Disabled
    Max CPUID Value Limit: Disabled
    Intel® Virtualization Tech: Disabled
    Vanderpool Technology: Disabled
    CPU TM Function: Enabled
    Execute Disable Bit: Enabled
    

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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    So I'm thinking maybe my computer doesn't like the x7 multiplier because I could only get the FSB to between 360-370. Increasing the voltages didn't help. I tried it with the strap at 333 and 400 and it didn't seem to make a difference. I seem to have hit a hard wall again. Other people with E2160s seem to be able to break 3GHz pretty easily, sometimes at stock voltages. Did I just get a lesser chip? I'm fine with that, just wondering if there's anything I can do to hit that 7 x 400 sweet spot.

    As a side note, I did increase my DRAM Freq. to 842, meaning I'm running at a 5:6 ratio now. Subjectively, my system seems to be performing much faster in terms of loading videos and image galleries, although that's partially a function of my internet connection. I'll have to see if this keeps up over the long term.

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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    You might notice an improvement with using 4-4-4-12 primary memory timings.

    With my system I can use 4-4-4-10 timings up to abut 875MHz. MaxxMEM2 is a free memory benchmark tool, but I often see a difference of 100 or more points even when I haven't made any changes. I prefer to use 7zip as a benchmark and stability test by zipping a large folder such as the My Documents folder, followed by testing the zip file's integrity and then followed by unzipping the file to a temporary folder to see if there are any problems.

    In post #13 my goal was to help you break through the 312MHz FSB barrier. While 7 x 400MHz failed you can try using the 8X cpu multiplier with the 333MHz memory strap and increase the 350MHz FSB by 5 or 10MHz and see how far you can go. It's probably a bad idea to use the 400MHz memory strap when your FSB is less than 400MHz.

    The following primary memory timings were optimal on my systems with different FSB settings:




    My current settings:






    MaxMEMM2 inconsistencies:


    As I recall the low scores in tests #3 and #4 were due to running with moderately heavy loads that were not running while the other MaxxMEM2 benchmarks were running.
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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    So I'm checking in at around 40 minutes into Prime95 at 8 x 355. Interestingly my computer would boot into Windows at 370fsb but bluescreened at both 370 and 360 after a few minutes of stress testing.. I had to raise the voltages a bit to make 355 stable but it seems to be holding.

    What I have noticed in all the tests that have failed is that the system can remain running at 68C, but anything that causes it to go above that makes it crash. My temps are holding at around 60C right now. I may just be completely off here, and maybe there's a huge difference between 355 and 360fsb, but it seems to me that past a certain threshold there's a sort of runaway effect where temperatures go out of control. I have no idea what causes this besides general instability, or if it's a side effect of stock cooling, bit it's really wierd and I wanted to get that out while I was thinking about it.

    I should know better by now not to post from mobile but this is becoming frustrating so I'll update again when I have screenshots.

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    Default Re: Baby's First Overclock [Pentium E2160]

    Finally ordered the CPU and cooler I need to complete my build, but in the meantime I have been messing around. I never could get a very stable result above 350 FSB so I kept it there and overclocked the video card instead using MSI Afterburner. Subjectively there hasn't been much improvement when I try to load a page of gifs or something but I suspect my internet connection is the bottleneck there. I did another Futuremark test and got 1868. I then decided to overclock my RAM a bit and got a score of 1889. So I'm running at a 5:6 ratio again. I will probably try to drop the timings to CL4 and run the test again. That will most likely be the last thing I do on this build before my X5470 arrives.



    (I have no idea why SYSIN3 is showing -107C)

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    I ran a stress test overnight and it seems that CL4 is stable, with a Futuremark score of 1894 after overclocking the video card.



    (Again I have no idea why it's showing negative voltages for some fields)
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