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    Default Performance Help !

    Hey, Just wondering if someone could have a look at the specs of my computer and make an upgrade recommendation to help me get a little more performance for mid level gaming.

    First of all, I know its not a good pc, its a low end computer, Unfortunately for me, that's what I have. I know just starting over and buying a new one would likely be my best option but I just cant afford that at the moment. I only play older less demanding games anyways.. (ie. Americas army 2.5 etc..) But I'm sure with what Ive got, I can maybe spend a few dollars and get some kind of upgrade to help my situation.

    So maybe a video card or more ram etc.. If there is a video card that is reasonably priced and compatible with my PC that someone could recommend that would be great !

    Mother Board : Gigabyte G41M-ES2L Motherboard
    Processor: Intel Pentium Dual Core E5200 2.50GHz
    Memory: ULTRA 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHZ
    Video Card: Nvidia Gforce 7900GS - 256mb
    Hard Drive: Kingston SSDNow V+200 120GB
    Case: Apex PC-319 ATX Black Mid-T Case
    Power Supply: 450W
    Op. System Windows 7 Ultimate SP1

    Thanks.
    Rob

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    Default Re: Performance Help !

    a new videocard and ram will do.

    But I'm not sure if you can still find any ddr2 ram, plus ddr2 rams are expensive.
    Last edited by funkgretzky; 03-02-2013 at 08:35 PM.

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    Default Re: Performance Help !

    I found another 2048MB of DDR2 ram, thanks I will try that out.

    ALSO > Can someone suggest a video card that would well work with my system ?

    Thanks !

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    nvidia 9600gt or 9500gt maybe? I guess that'll work.

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    What are the brands and model numbers of each memory kit?
    Please provide links to the full manufacturers' specifications on their website.
    You will need to change some bios settings to get all four memory modules stable.
    Using mixed memory brands or models often makes it harder to find stable settings.
    Even if your new memory kit is identical to your original memory, finding stable settings might take extra time and effort.

    How much are you willing to spend on a new video card?
    Video card compatibility shouldn't be a problem.
    We can better suggest a card when we know your price range.

    Newegg.ca - Desktop Graphics Cards, $75 - $100

    Newegg.ca - Desktop Graphics Cards, $100 - $200
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    Default Re: Performance Help !

    Hi there, First of all, thank you for taking the time to respond.. Much appreciated.

    I haven't actually purchased the 2nd piece of 2048mb or ram yet.. I found some online and was going to buy one. I wasn't 100% sure yet, but this is where I was looking - DDR2 Memory

    As for what I have exactly: ULTRA 2048mb pc5400 Ddr2 667 mhz: Model ULT40089 (could not find manufacture website, sorry ?) If there ram that would work with my existing or possibly a solution to replace my existing memory with 2 new pieces ?> either way. The bios options I would not know the required changes. R u able to supply this info or is their a guide somewhere ? = /


    For the budget on the graphics card, I am fine with $100-$200.. Somewhere in there. Its basically just down to what will give me more for my money. If a $100 card will give me a decent boost in performance but a $200 will only give me a little beyond $100 card, then I'd go for the $100 card.

    Thanks.

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    TigerDirect lists your memory, but it isn't available. Buy the Ultra 2048MB PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory at TigerDirect.ca
    You will have a much easier time if you buy a 2 x 2GB memory kit from a manufacturer that has tested a particular memory kit as compatible with your motherboard. Newegg.ca - 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM, 4GB (2 x 2GB) shows a list of memory kits where many or most kits should be compatible. I recommend that you buy a kit that is Cas5 (or lower) PC2-6400 (800MHz). PC2-8500 memory should run with Cas4 settings at 800MHz. My 8GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500 memory has been excellent with my P35-DS3L system. Kingston also has a few models with standard height heat spreaders. Their HyperX kits have better performance than their lower priced kits. As I recall, several forum members had problems with Kingston memory kits that had ValueRAM in their name or with model numbers that began with KVR.

    I repeat, mixing memory brands and/or models can often cause problems with stability, even at stock speeds.

    Buying a higher performing video card can provide smoother game play and allow higher game settings. While you might not need a much higher performing card with your older games, you will need a better card to play newer games with the ability to use moderate game settings. A google web search using: video card chart 2013 provides some links that will give you a good idea of the relative ranking of older and newer video cards. Check out:
    Graphics Card Hierarchy Chart : Best Graphics Cards For The Money: February 2013 - Tom's Hardware
    Best Graphics Cards For The Money, February 2013 Updates - Tom's Hardware

    I like the video card reviews at HARDOCP - GPU / Video Cards Page 1 because they include detailed comments on the quality of game play experience with modern high end games. The Newegg user reviews can sometimes be useful when they discuss how good or bad a video card is with certain games.

    With Geforce video cards, the Ti models have higher performance and price compared with similar models that don't have the Ti designation.
    Buying the older Geforce GTX 560 Ti ($175 or higher) might give you the most performance and it's pci-e 2.0 maximum bandwidth won't make a difference now and probably not in the future if you upgrade your motherboard to a newer model with pci-e 3.0 bandwidth.

    There's no substitute for reading video card reviews to learn about other features, such as fan noise and how well the card is cooled.
    You should find that there are Radeon cards that offer similar performance and prices to the Nvidia cards.

    BTW, two years ago I bought two MSI N460GTX Hawk video cards and they run great in my older P35-DS3L and N650SLI-DS4 systems.
    From Tom's chart, the newer GTX 560, 560 Ti, 650 and 650 Ti models have more performance than my 460 video cards.
    Geforce cards with the SE model designation are lower performing and less expensive models within the same video card family.
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    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
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    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
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    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
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    Default Re: Performance Help !

    Ok, fantastic reply, thanks again.

    I looked around and couldn't find much "official" information on the compatibility of that memory with my specific mobo but in my searches I did find other posts/sites that had this specific memory being used in combination with a my model MB >? So unless you have a better spot to confirm the compatibility, This is what I was thinking, or if you have any better suggestions : G.Skill Ram

    As for the graphics card, what do you think of this one ? Nvidia GTX260.
    I can pick one of these up locally for a really good price.

    Let me know what you think,
    Thanks.

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    The G.Skill link at their website is G.SKILL- F2-6400CL5D-4GBPQ (2Gx2) and it is compatible with P4x/G4x motherboards. G.Skill memory was very popular in the forum with P4x motherboards and there were very few problems with their memory in the forum.

    According to Tom's heirarchy chart, the GTX 260 that you linked to is comparable to the following video cards:
    GTX 260, 275, 280, 460 192-bit, 460 SE, 550 Ti, 560 SE, 650 and
    HD 4870, 5770, 4890, 5830, 6770, 6790, 7750
    which is pretty decent for an older video card. As long as you're aware of the good and weak points of the older and newer video cards, it will be a major improvement over your 7900GS. If you have any doubts, read reviews of GTX 260 and some of the newer models.
    I don't know if the GTX 260 will overclock as high as similar performing newer models.
    Note: BFG has been out of the video card business since 2010 so there is no factory warranty.

    Before you install your new memory, you should go into the bios and manually set DRAM Voltage to the value that is on the sticker on the memory module, probably 1.90 volts or slightly higher. If you have any problems, let us know and we can help you make any required bios changes.

    Always unplug the exterior power supply cable from the wall outlet or the back of the psu before removing or installing new hardware.

    You can go to Drivers | GeForce to download the latest supported drivers for your video card.

    Good luck with your new hardware!
    Let us know how it works out.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Ok, So received GTX260, installed and updated drivers, only problem is, no change in gaming performance.(FPS anyways) I don't think its a bottle necking issue as while in game I'm still only getting 25-30 FPS in battle (pretty much same as 7900GS) but my memory and CPU % are both under 50% usage ? I have went into NVIDIA control panel and already adjusted a few of the main settings for performance over quality already.. so it just seems like a setting or something holding the card back ? Is there anything I need to change in BIOS or somewhere ?

    *On another note, My BIOS is version F4 and the up to date version is F9.. Unfortunately I'm not 100% I know how to update it.. I have read through the forums here and it seems a little to advanced for me.. unless I'm not seeing the easy way of doing it ? = \


    The new G.skill memory isn't here yet, should be here in a day or two, I will also install that and report back my findings as well... but if you can help with my settings = )

    Thanks.

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