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    Default New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Hi all,

    So I was initially setting up a high-end gaming PC, and I haven't any GPU(s) yet. I was looking at running an SLI with 2 MSI GTX 970, however looking at the Benchmarks and all they have a brilliant output I know but they suffer substantial drops or at least can do in FPS.

    I wasn't sure whether to spend the money on those as an SLI, or buy something else which would work just as well at optimum as the 2 GTX 970 set ups. What I currently have is on my system spec (not sure whether you can view that like I said I'm new) but I'll happily list my setup at the moment if you want to know.

    My budget is 600 just so you know.

    Just was gathering a few more opinions on this before actually making the final choice really, any other opinions/recommendations would be appreciated...Thanks :)

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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Welcome to the forum.

    As I recall the GTX 970 performance drop only happens when you need to access the last 500MB of gpu memory.

    A GTX 980 single or SLI setup does not have this problem.
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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    For those who aren't familiar with the GTX 970 memory performance issues, check out Frame Rating: Looking at GTX 970 Memory Performance | PC Perspective.

    The comments by many of their readers is highly entertaining to say the least.

    You will find similar review results at other top tier gpu review sites.
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    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    600 is a decent chunk of change. However, two 980s are going to run you around 900. Maybe if you can get them used (from someone who is upgrading to a Titan X perhaps) you could get two for 600, depending on the model. Try hitting the r/hardwareswap subreddit.

    A couple of R9 290Xs though will cost around 450-550 and deliver comparable performance (about 10% loss compared to 980 SLI).

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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    For those who aren't familiar with the GTX 970 memory performance issues, check out Frame Rating: Looking at GTX 970 Memory Performance | PC Perspective.

    The comments by many of their readers is highly entertaining to say the least.

    You will find similar review results at other top tier gpu review sites.
    Hi again,

    Thanks for that, sorry I hadn't replied until now I've been pretty busy all weekend to be honest. But I'll have a look at that for sure.

    Thanks again for the advice (:

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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Quote Originally Posted by LivingNexus View Post
    600 is a decent chunk of change. However, two 980s are going to run you around 900. Maybe if you can get them used (from someone who is upgrading to a Titan X perhaps) you could get two for 600, depending on the model. Try hitting the r/hardwareswap subreddit.

    A couple of R9 290Xs though will cost around 450-550 and deliver comparable performance (about 10% loss compared to 980 SLI).
    Hey,

    Again sorry I didn't get back, and yeah I haven't really looked at the R9 290X(s), was thinking more about MSI's afterburner, or does that just apply with the Motherboard? I'm not sure myself I hadn't looked into it that much, however your idea does sound decent to be honest, considering a GTX 980 has considerably more performance than the 970, so on an SLI Scale going with the R9 would be a much cheaper alternative with a slight performance difference to SLI GTX 980, which is still considerably more than the GTX 970, so I'm going to look into prices but I'll do a little more research before finalising what I get.

    Again thanks for getting back (:

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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    The MSI Afterburner utility should work with nearly all video card brands and models.

    In a few cases you might need to use the vendor's overclocking utility to get the most out of your video card.

    Naturally if you buy an MSI video card you can access all of the video card's overclocking options.

    Keep in mind that higher end AMD cards require significantly more power and are probably much louder than comparable Nvidia cards.

    The AMD cards probably offer more bang for your bucks (or pounds) if you don't mind the higher electricity costs and noise levels.
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    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    The MSI Afterburner utility should work with nearly all video card brands and models.

    In a few cases you might need to use the vendor's overclocking utility to get the most out of your video card.

    Naturally if you buy an MSI video card you can access all of the video card's overclocking options.

    Keep in mind that higher end AMD cards require significantly more power and are probably much louder than comparable Nvidia cards.

    The AMD cards probably offer more bang for your bucks (or pounds) if you don't mind the higher electricity costs and noise levels.

    Hi again,

    I looked into running the other options, and the MSI R9 290X Crossfire is actually worse in performace to the MSI GTX 970 SLI, and in order to run it with my set up I would need to spend another 70-80 on a PSU alone, let alone cooling. In turn my set up with the R9 290X Crossfire, could potentially defect due to power consumption, and I would need more space in my case (To spread the cards apart) otherwise I'd be facing heat problems. On top of this SLI is generally more stable from what I've gathered than Crossfire, and finally the GTX 970 SLI is cheaper up front (by about 20 - 30 with the 2 GPU's and Power Supply) and in the long run a much better option, as they're younger so more driver support and they consume less power and give off less heat both saving money and ensuring my system will remain at a healthy temperature.

    So I don't think I will consider using a Crossfire with R9 290X's as good as they might be the GTX 970 SLI is genuinely the better option from what I've gathered online.

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    Default Re: New to this: Setting up a high-end gaming PC...

    Quote Originally Posted by JammyTactics View Post
    I looked into running the other options, and the MSI R9 290X Crossfire is actually worse in performace to the MSI GTX 970 SLI
    I'm actually having a hard time finding raw data in terms of frames-per-second performance, but this seems to hold up (although at higher resolutions a single 290X seems to perform slightly better than a single 970, but not enough to really matter). The space and cooling concerns you brought up are completely legitimate and are probably going to be the deciding factor regardless, unless you want to buy an aftermarket cooler.

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