Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

[djgriff]

Hi I have just upgraded my motherboard and cpu to gigabyte z77x-ud5 and the cpu to i7 3770k.
My old board was foxconn 67h and i5 2400.
the issue i have is it takes ages to boot! it was initially taking 2:40 (timed with stopwatch) so i removed a different type of ram from the mob so i only had one type in there. crosshair 1600mhz 8gb 2 sticks.
That shaved 40 seconds or so off.. it take2 min plus or mins 10 secs.

I have upgraded all the drivers, done 3 fresh installs, replaced the MOB and CPU with vender.. and still the same issue. ..

Is anyone having the same issue or know what might be causing the problem..

My hard drive is a seagate 500gb 16mb cache 7200 6GB's.

lost for words on this one.. help!

Thanks

Daniel

[profJim]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

After flashing the bios to F8, did you reboot and immediately enter the bios to load optimized bios settings?
A web search using: windows 7 boot log should help you find the problem by using the windows boot log.
What is the name of the motherboard sata port that your boot drive is connected to?

Did you do a fresh windows install on your hard drive?

[wazza300]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

do you have quick boot option in the bios?

my board takes over one minute with a mechanical hdd,takes 13-15 seconds with an ssd

[odiebugs]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi I have just upgraded my motherboard and cpu to gigabyte z77x-ud5 and the cpu to i7 3770k.
My old board was foxconn 67h and i5 2400.
the issue i have is it takes ages to boot! it was initially taking 2:40 (timed with stopwatch) so i removed a different type of ram from the mob so i only had one type in there. crosshair 1600mhz 8gb 2 sticks.
That shaved 40 seconds or so off.. it take2 min plus or mins 10 secs.

I have upgraded all the drivers, done 3 fresh installs, replaced the MOB and CPU with vender.. and still the same issue. ..

Is anyone having the same issue or know what might be causing the problem..

My hard drive is a seagate 500gb 16mb cache 7200 6GB's.

lost for words on this one.. help!

Thanks

Daniel

Upgrading drivers will not do anything, gig has the newest Intel INF driver posted for your MOBO, so there is no upgrading there.

Can't see you putting the drive on the Marvell or any drive on it actually, so no need to worry about those drivers.

Two sticks are ok, seeing how this board only had dual channel memory.

Your seagate Sata 2 drive, is slow. You don't have to post it's Sata 3, this is only interface, this drive can even break half of Sata 2 speeds.

Are you counting the BIOS boot, this has nothing to do with windows boot.

Gig's are slow because of their DMI pool, verifying data, even with quick boot, these boards run through DMI slow.


Did you format the HDD or erase it, formatting is not erasing a drive, the drive is already NTFS, formatting from NTFS to NTFS just because windows has this option
in the install is useless.

You don't format a HDD for a fresh install, you erase it. (zero write ) with their utility or any other tool.

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Upgrading drivers will not do anything, gig has the newest Intel INF driver posted for your MOBO, so there is no upgrading there.

Can't see you putting the drive on the Marvell or any drive on it actually, so no need to worry about those drivers.

Two sticks are ok, seeing how this board only had dual channel memory.

Your seagate Sata 2 drive, is slow. You don't have to post it's Sata 3, this is only interface, this drive can even break half of Sata 2 speeds.

Are you counting the BIOS boot, this has nothing to do with windows boot.

Gig's are slow because of their DMI pool, verifying data, even with quick boot, these boards run through DMI slow.


Did you format the HDD or erase it, formatting is not erasing a drive, the drive is already NTFS, formatting from NTFS to NTFS just because windows has this option
in the install is useless.

You don't format a HDD for a fresh install, you erase it. (zero write ) with their utility or any other tool.

Hi and thanks for the replies..

I am counting from the moment i touch the power button. It doesn't take too long to get to the windows screen(4 colours then hangs for a while then goes to the blues screen.. normally when you would enter the username password.. then goes black and hangs then goes through to the main loaded windows.. taking like i said about 2 minutes or so.

I have done a clean install deleting all partitions including the system partition, then formatted the drive.

I have also gone to msconfig and changed the boots to 3 instead of 30, give windows the use of all 8 cores, full 8gb ram.. but still slow as heck..

I am not aware if the MOB has fast startup or not and will look into it shortly.

I have loaded optimised setting to no change what so ever..

could this be a faulty drive?

I have the hard drive on sata 0 and dvd on sata5.

maybe i will have to get a SSD..

don't quite understand why it takes so long though..

Thanks

Daniel

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi and thanks for the replies..

I am counting from the moment i touch the power button. It doesn't take too long to get to the windows screen(4 colours then hangs for a while then goes to the blues screen.. normally when you would enter the username password.. then goes black and hangs then goes through to the main loaded windows.. taking like i said about 2 minutes or so.

I have done a clean install deleting all partitions including the system partition, then formatted the drive.

I have also gone to msconfig and changed the boots to 3 instead of 30, give windows the use of all 8 cores, full 8gb ram.. but still slow as heck..

I am not aware if the MOB has fast startup or not and will look into it shortly.

I have loaded optimised setting to no change what so ever..

could this be a faulty drive?

I have the hard drive on sata 0 and dvd on sata5.

maybe i will have to get a SSD..

don't quite understand why it takes so long though..

Thanks

Daniel

sorry the hard drive is :
Western Digital Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 6Gb/s 16MB Cache

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

After flashing the bios to F8, did you reboot and immediately enter the bios to load optimized bios settings?
A web search using: windows 7 boot log should help you find the problem by using the windows boot log.
What is the name of the motherboard sata port that your boot drive is connected to?

Did you do a fresh windows install on your hard drive?

HI I have run the boot logger..

It has shown that it has not loaded several files..

i have attached the log if interested.ntbtlog.txt

the files that did not load if you do not wish to view the file are..:
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\drivers\vga.sys
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\Drivers\NDProxy.SYS
Did not load driver \SystemRoot\System32\DRIVERS\srv.sys

I haven't got a clue what these mean..

any help much appreciated.

thanks

Daniel

[odiebugs]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi and thanks for the replies..

I am counting from the moment i touch the power button. It doesn't take too long to get to the windows screen(4 colours then hangs for a while then goes to the blues screen.. normally when you would enter the username password.. then goes black and hangs then goes through to the main loaded windows.. taking like i said about 2 minutes or so.

I have done a clean install deleting all partitions including the system partition, then formatted the drive.

I have also gone to msconfig and changed the boots to 3 instead of 30, give windows the use of all 8 cores, full 8gb ram.. but still slow as heck..

I am not aware if the MOB has fast startup or not and will look into it shortly.

I have loaded optimised setting to no change what so ever..

could this be a faulty drive?

I have the hard drive on sata 0 and dvd on sata5.

maybe i will have to get a SSD..

don't quite understand why it takes so long though..

Thanks

Daniel

From what you are saying, its not the board booting, its windows that is causing the problem, did you download windows and burn an ISO ?

There's not much difference between a blue and a barracuda, not one that can be noticed.

WD website has a utility, under support, I would check the drive with it, then I would erase the drive with it.

You shouldn't have to set MSCONFIG just to get a decent boot time, its usually to get a faster boot by stopping apps from starting with windows.

Normally a fresh install doesn't need this, as windows isn't that bad, its usually after installing 50 apps and people forget to go custom and stop them from starting with windows and loading into start menu.


NDProxy.SYS should not be stopped from loading with windows.

After loading chipset, graph, and other drivers, the anti-virus, then windows update.

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi thanks for reply.. no this is genuine window 7 pro 64bit..

i found another thread which someone had the same issue, same drivers not loading, but it was due to the Motherboard settings for the hard drive being AHCI, they switched it to IDE and all was fine and dandy.. i tried that and only got blue screened when attempting to start windows.
someone else had similar issue.. but was caused by floppy drive being entered in the boot sequence.

So i still have no idea as to why.. i will download the WD Utility now and check the drive.

As to MSconfig, i am going to leave this out of the equation.

The link to the forum that has the thread that i refer to is :Delay on boot - Windows 7 Forums

Just did a quick test on the drive and it failed .. then ran it again and it passed.... will run thorough test tomorrow.. will let you know how i get on.

Any other suggestion are kindly welcome.

Many Thanks

Daniel

[odiebugs]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi and thanks for the replies..







maybe i will have to get a SSD..



Thanks

Daniel

Takes about 14 and a half mins to load windows onto a vertex three.

With your CPU, you should throw a 60g vertex 3 or 4 on the 9172, even though it's poor, grab another blue and run them RAID 0 on the ICH.

don't go over 27g on the C: boot and everything else on the blues.

You will get very small lags on the blues when idle but not while you run them with, ( games, apps) due to the fact WD turned off TLER.

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Hi Thanks for the reply and setup suggestions..
I was looking into this last night and also thinking of pairing it up with onboard mSata to speed everything up that little bit more.. or would you recommend createing the raid over this.. just have the windows startup on a seperate SSD of 60gb like stated..

mind you everything said it still doesn't solve the issue of the HD not working correctly.. .. think it is to do with the settings of the sata somewhere in the bios.. i can't find it though..


Cheers though..

[Acebmxer]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

If you want to save money get a 64gb ssd or a msata ssd which ever is cheaper and do the ssd caching. But I tell you want nothing beats a true ssd and I would recommend getting the Corsair Force GT 120gb. It is a great drive, boot time on my system is like 7 sec max. I have probably have reinstalled windows about 10 times and secured erase the drive each time and the performance is as good as day one. You can see benchmarks I have posted for it in the link down in my sig.

Trust me go SSD and dont look back. If you choose to go with a different brand ssd, make sure you are looking at the right kind of ssd. There are 2 kids asynchronous and synchronous, ones good ones bad. I can never remember which one is better but the Corsair Force GT is the better one and the Corsair Force is the bad one. ProfJim knows which one is better and can also supply you with some links to check out for further reading if you like.

[profJim]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Not quite an apples to apples comparison, but when I upgraded my P35 win2k system to win7 installed on an ssd, my boot times dropped from 2.5 minutes to 30 seconds. My w2k setup used a WD Caviar Black 640GB for the boot drive.

Spend a little bit more and buy a synchronous SSD for best real world performance.
Asynchronous ssds are slightly less expensive but their performance deteriorates as more disk space is used.

An easy way to remember which is best is to think of the "a" in asynchronous, where a = awful.
They're not really awful, but their performance is inferior to the synchronous drives.

Check out http://forums.tweaktown.com/storage-...rformance.html for more information.

I suggest buying an ssd that is 120 - 256GB. Using a 60 - 90GB ssd is a PITA, especially if you are into gaming or running several large applications.
Many ssd model names from a manufacturer have similar names for their async and sync drives.
Some excellent synchronous drives:

• Corsair Force GT (not the Force 3 drives)
• OCZ Vertex 3 (not the Agility 3 drives)
• Samsung 830 using Toggle Nand

There are other excellent synchronous drives and most will come with a 3 year warranty.
It can be frustrating and difficult to determine which ssd's use which type of Nand memory.

I recommend that your ssd is the only drive in your system when you install win7.

[wazza300]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

can recommend the samsung 830 and crucial m4 ssd drives also,i think thats the best way to go as its far too slow with a mechanical hdd

[djgriff]

Re: Windows 7 pro 64bit slooow boot with new MOB and CPU.. slower than old ones

Thanks for the recommendations.. will definitely look into it asap.. as the boot time is annoying the heck out-ta me to be honest..

Would it be best to get a 64gb for windows and a separate 120gb for app. Also the Z77X-UD5 supports mSATA for fast caching .. would you recommend throwing a 32gb in there along side 2 others..

to be honest i am not to sure what the mSATA would be used for.. but will look into it..

Many Thanks

Cheers