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Thread: Upgrading from an 1800+ to a 2500+




  1. #21
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    i've got a palomino then...do those run hotter?
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  2. #22
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    Yeah, I am doing my homework on this one. I got the Antec 480Blue. You can pic between the 430,480,480B and different power supply companies. You can pic the wrap, heatshink color, just about everything. They come out to between $170-$250 for a decent one. But I figure, you buy it ONCE.
    Just like I said before, do your homework, get things setup right and done right the 1st time with your hardware, and your software will go smoothly and your hardware will take care of you.
    I have checked around 50-75 sites just to find the right stuff, at the right price, and to compare reviews, ect. to make sure I am getting exactly what I want. AND I STILL HAVE HAD TO RMA SOME STUFF!!! :flames:
    Namely a NEC/Mitsu flat screen that didn't turn out to be what the ONE pic looked like. Newegg RMAed it, but I have to pay $50 for restock, she cut me a deal on that thank god. But the Cornea Iam getting is just hands down the best, in the reviews and I already know cause I have had a 17" Cornea for about 2 years now and love it.



    I can't wait till it comes in. And it is only $619.00, free shipping as always at newegg. Its a sweet deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [size=6
    Malabooboo[/size]]
    i've got a palomino then...do those run hotter?
    Yes they do run hotter as their voltage setting is higher as they were built on the old 0.18 micron manufacturing process where as the Thoroughbred is built on the newer 0.13 micron process.

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    still ok with overclocking though?
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    Thermaltake Volcano 7+
    PC 2700 DDR@1 GB

    MSI G4 Ti4200 TP64
    Detonator Drivers 53.03
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    Optorite 4x DVD+/-RW

    Sony 16x DVD

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    Oh yes as I have one here that's runnin' as an XP2100+ but it is warm.

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    I just got mine to run 10*169. but that is about all I can get out of it. The ram in it is generic running SPD 2.5 3-3-7. I bumped the v. up to 1.85v.
    I'm happy with that for that machine.

    I just wonder if the 1 gig of Geil is going to do my new system justice at the settings it has listed in my stats. Or if I should pic up some corsair.
    I still haven't gotten a clear answer from anyone at house of help on what the best dual channel is for the A7N8X with the 2500+ in it.
    Chez

    I still have gotta buy a good video card and money is getting tighter now that I am down to the wire.
    The 9800 PRO AIW is coming out soon. I wonder if that will drop the price of the 9700PROAIW which is $350 right now. I have NEVER bought a video card over $250, and always Nvidia. So I don't know what I should do. I really want the video/tv capabilities of the AIW, although dang they are pricey :wow:
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    WD120JB 7200 8mg Cache ~ Maxtor Quantum Fireball 60GB
    Lite-on 48x24x48x16x CDRW-DVD Black ~ Aopen 56x Cdrom Black
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    2x12” UV/Blacklight CC Sound/on-off/PCI switch ~ 2x12” Thtake Blue CC Sound/on-off/PCI sw
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    still ok with overclocking though?
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    </tr><tr><td bgcolor=\"#f3f3f4\"><font face=\"Verdana, sans-serif\" size=\"1\">Asus A7V333
    Athlon XP2500+

    Thermaltake Volcano 7+
    PC 2700 DDR@1 GB

    MSI G4 Ti4200 TP64
    Detonator Drivers 53.03
    </font></td><td bgcolor=\"#f3f3f4\"><font face=\"Verdana, sans-serif\" size=\"1\">Seagate 60GB 7200rpm

    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm

    Optorite 4x DVD+/-RW

    Sony 16x DVD

    Sony Floppy!

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    Malaboo,

    Just use Asus probe, which will tell you your temps of your chip, and your mobo. You can set it to record the temps and watch it on a graph.
    30-50celcius and you should be fine. above that I would watch it.
    That is all I know. Maybe wiggo has some better info.

    Thats what I use though. I am ocing mine and haven't gotten over 35celcius yet. But they don't recommend ocing a 1800+(1533mhz) above 1750mhz. So I am keeping it around there.
    If I had some better ram I would bump the FSB higher, that is where you will notice the best gains, not in necessarily just raw mhz clock speed, but in FSB speed.
    At least from what I have read and heard.
    Chez

    Asus probe should have came with your mobo disks btw.

    Are you using an aftermarket cooler, with thermal paste, and did you lap it at all? Those things help to keep the temps down too.
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    Antec 480Blue modded+UV blue sleeved-hshrink from Pc-perfomance
    A7V8X Deluxe Rev. 2.0 - 2500+ Barton ~ Aero 7+ OR TT 11 Xaser w/ TT fan tube
    MSI Ti4200-VTD8X 8X AGP w/Zalman h-pipe cooler ~ Geil 2 x 512 Cas 2.5 6-3-3-2t w/Blue HS
    WD120JB 7200 8mg Cache ~ Maxtor Quantum Fireball 60GB
    Lite-on 48x24x48x16x CDRW-DVD Black ~ Aopen 56x Cdrom Black
    Enermax 3.5" Fan controller A3FATR2 ~ Round UV Blue cables/Silver braid
    2x12” UV/Blacklight CC Sound/on-off/PCI switch ~ 2x12” Thtake Blue CC Sound/on-off/PCI sw
    ALL wires UV Blue sleeved + Hshrink - Cornea CT 1904 19" LCD BLk/Slvr ~ Microsoft™ Windows XP Pro

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  9. #29
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    i just read tt's article:

    http://www.tweaktown.com/document.ph...Id=203&dPage=3

    is there anything I can use as a gap filler and conductive grease (will arctic silver work) that i might already have?
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    </tr><tr><td bgcolor=\"#f3f3f4\"><font face=\"Verdana, sans-serif\" size=\"1\">Asus A7V333
    Athlon XP2500+

    Thermaltake Volcano 7+
    PC 2700 DDR@1 GB

    MSI G4 Ti4200 TP64
    Detonator Drivers 53.03
    </font></td><td bgcolor=\"#f3f3f4\"><font face=\"Verdana, sans-serif\" size=\"1\">Seagate 60GB 7200rpm

    Seagate 80GB 7200rpm

    Optorite 4x DVD+/-RW

    Sony 16x DVD

    Sony Floppy!

    Fans@2 intake, 3 exhaust</font></td><td bgcolor=\"#f3f3f4\"><img src=\"http://www.bluespherestudios.com/images/case4.gif\" width=\"23\" height=\"82\"></td><td><img src=\"http://www.bluespherestudios.com/images/case2.gif\" width=\"150\" height=\"82\"></td></tr>
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    You can use superglue to fill the lazer gaps. Although you will need a magnifying glass. I am not sure if artic silver will work or not. Artic silver is not meant to be CONDUCTIVE, it is meant to be thermally conductive, to transfer heat. Although it might work.

    Personally I tried to do it on my own, did the superglue fine, then just bought the kit for $11 since it has a little magnifying glass and the conductive grease.
    You can also use the automotive etching repair stuff for window defrosters from what I read if you want.
    Just make sure you use a magnifying glass and don't have one bridge touch the other. You have to make five connections, and there isn't very much room between them. If you make a mistake and connect 2 of the L1 bridges it will fry the chip from what I heard.
    It is easy with the kit, a pin, and a magnifying glass. It is also a good idea to pick up a shim while you are at it.
    If you do connect two of the bridges, it has a cleaner to just wipe it all off and start over. They don't recommend just trying to clean in between the bridges. Just clean it all off and start over. That is what makes the kit good. I got lucky, went slow and got t right on my 1st try. Never would have made it without a magnifying glass. It has its own little stand too, so you don't have to try and hold that, the pin, ect. ect. ect.
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    I bought it at www.highspeedpc.com

    Good luck.
    Chez
    Just my 2 cents.
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    Antec 480Blue modded+UV blue sleeved-hshrink from Pc-perfomance
    A7V8X Deluxe Rev. 2.0 - 2500+ Barton ~ Aero 7+ OR TT 11 Xaser w/ TT fan tube
    MSI Ti4200-VTD8X 8X AGP w/Zalman h-pipe cooler ~ Geil 2 x 512 Cas 2.5 6-3-3-2t w/Blue HS
    WD120JB 7200 8mg Cache ~ Maxtor Quantum Fireball 60GB
    Lite-on 48x24x48x16x CDRW-DVD Black ~ Aopen 56x Cdrom Black
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    2x12” UV/Blacklight CC Sound/on-off/PCI switch ~ 2x12” Thtake Blue CC Sound/on-off/PCI sw
    ALL wires UV Blue sleeved + Hshrink - Cornea CT 1904 19" LCD BLk/Slvr ~ Microsoft™ Windows XP Pro

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