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Thread: xp2600 barton overheating




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    Ok here is the specs for the one month old system in question:
    xp2600 barton 512 L2 (166x11.5) stock cooler(copper one)
    asus a7v8x-x latest via drivers
    1x512mb pc2700 @333mhz
    ti 4200 8x 128mb 52.16
    philips dvd-rw
    wd 80gb 8mb buffer
    panasonic black floppy
    logitech internet keyboard
    this case, except black
    350w elitech psu
    1x92mm rear out(cutout)
    1x92mm front in(cutout drawing from cutout on bottom of front)
    1x80mm side window in
    windows xp pro, all updates

    It freezes lots especially when playing games. It froze on me while on a web pages. It's not the gfx as the num lock and caps lock do nothing while frozen.
    Room temp 18c
    cpu temp @boot 28c(mobo monitor's first reading in high/low)
    cpu temp @idle after two minutes 44c
    cpu temp after 1 minute of any game 55c+
    all according to mobo monitor and sandra
    The supplier has been quite specific lately about cpu warranty, saying if the oem thermal crap is removed, the 3year warranty with amd is over. So on this machine, I left the hs/f in place since the customer does not know what ocing is and wanted to retain the warranty. I always use AS Ceramique except for this one machine.
    My guess is the supplier did not remove the tape from the hs, or the oem crap is so bad and this is what happens.

    I got it to stop freezing by simply turning down the fsb from 166 to 133 for now until I get back there with the AS. The mem is still @166(333) and nothing is oc'ed. I know there is an incompatability with sensors and sandra. It has the cpu and board temps mixed up and reports the psu @127c, which I know is wrong since it never changes and is not hot(psu fan works fine)

    Any ideas?
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
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    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

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    Case airflow is likely the culprit unless the enclosure design is a good deal better than the pictures imply. With the front bezel being primarily created for good looks, I see no areas where you can get any decent inflow of cool air. Sure the side fan will bring some in, but not enough to have any decent cooling.
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    At most computer stores here, all the display machines they have run 24/7 with things like 3d'01 looped. They don't know anything about airflow and if there is a fan, it is the one in the side window. Those machines never overheat and they all have oem crap on the oem heatsinks. Come to think of it everyone I know laughes at me when it comes to cooling mods, saying I am wasting my time. Well I know what I am doing.
    1x92mm rear out(cutout)
    1x92mm front in(cutout drawing from cutout on bottom of front)
    Here is an example(different machine, smaller fans) pic of what I am talking about, just extent the front feet 1cm and voila, flow from bottom. Nothing could ever flow without cutting. Well I am on my way over to customers with the AS Ceramique, and will post back.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    Here is that same(example) in the early stages initial cut before finnishing. With 5-10mm added to the front feet, it provides good flow without visable alterations to the front.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    I believe you just proved my point. Take a look at the photograph you posted of the front of the enclosure. If you'll notice, while the added fan is a very nice touch, there is no means for a good supply of fresh air to go through the front bezel (the full-length panel) to make the fan effective. I'm not trying to be snide, but what good does a fan do you if it can't get air from outside the case so it can circulate it within the guts?
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    Ok, just got back. After voiding amd's so called 3year warranty by removing the grey crap from the oem heatsink, cleaning with lighter fluid and properly applying AS Ceramique. Amd expects the entire heatsink to be replaced with a new oem one after removal each time to retain the warranty(says that on their site). amd's install guide
    So with the room temp the same, the cpu idle temp after 2min(from cold) dropped from 44c to 39c. And after runnin seti for 1 hour, the loaded temp is now 47c from 55c+. I expect those temps will drop by 1-2c in the next 48hours. Still feels hot to the touch like if it did not have a fan.

    But it is only a matter of time before dust/hair buildup renders the machine useless again without a better hsf. After recalling the poor results I had with one of those same coolers with AS ceramique on my current rig. I figured since it was copper based, that it would work better than the large oem hsf from intel, not. It was about the same.

    So with a bit of ghetto science, I have determined since there was a 9-10c drop in temps on my rig from an amd oem to a thermaltake dragonorb3(7000rpm), that similar results will happen in this guys rig. My current rig will not operate for longer than 10min @idle with an amd or intel oem w/AS ceramique. But will operate stable indefinately @100% cpu usage with the orb.

    We all know that 95% of computers in the world do not have adequate hsf cooling or even fans, if they do have a casefan, the stamped steel grille is there. This does not happen to those after a month.
    So what I am getting at is this peticular cpu(xp2600 barton 1917mhz) is too hot for non power user use with an oem hsf, automatically voiding the warranty. Or something internal is making it get too hot. And if there was an airflow problem, the temps would go down with the side removed. These temps go up with the side off.

    This is more like what this one is like. With 5mm added to the front feet making 1cm space to desk. It draws lots.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

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    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
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    Here is the hsf in question. I have never had a heatproblem with one of these before(no oc), but then again, I never tried one with the cpu in question until this one either. Usually xp2700, xp2500, xp2600(non barton)(small chip), 2400, 2200, 2000, 1800, 1700, pIII 1.3 and 1.33 thunderbirds. All of the temps are way lower and the hs is never this hot to touch. This cpu was a surprise when I built the rig as I had never heard of one before.
    previous thread about the surprise
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    Ok seems to be fixed for now. It never goes over 45c @load anymore. But the hs still feels hot. I don't think the fins are capable of getting rid of any good amount of heat in the long run. And the fan is lame. I still wonder how 95% of athlon xp's 2500 and higher work stable with this thing. 3 weeks and the doghair will do this again.
    It's time for a thermaltake dragonorb 3 7000rpm or more realistically a volcano 7+.(I don't want to part with any of my private dragonorb 3 stash)
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    Ok it's overheating again. I am trying to tell the customer that a better hsf is needed as well as better housekeeping to deal with the pethair which is in epedemic preportions. I am leaning toward a volcano 7+(dragonorb 3 too loud for anyone but me). He does not see my logic, and thinks the rig should not do this with stock cooling. I do not think he sees the dog and cat hair as a problem either(2 dogs 1 cat). I believe the fins are too thin and too close together on the stock hsf to be effective in the first place. And the hs base is really hot to touch.

    I have a triple cathair problem(3 cats) with my rig. 3-4 weeks and a complete cleaning is required(before crashing happens). When I had 4 cats I was lucky to get 2 weeks. The hs's get clogged with hair. But I am running a major 33% oc so it's normal for me to have heat problems with clogged hs's. If I was at stock speeds with stock cooling, I could probably get years of crash free use without cleaning(just like the rest of the world does).

    He does sort of have a point since mass made pc's usually don't have these sorts of problems and they have very bad cooling and no airflow(psu fan does not count as case airflow). He is refering to his friends demension 8300 3.2 p4/r9800pro.
    athlon xp-m@2456mhz(12x204)
    tt aquariusII liquid cooled/ arctic silver ceramique
    asus a7n8xe-dlx
    thermaltake xaserIII lanfire
    bfg 6800gt
    seagate sataII 250gb/seagate 7200rpm 160gb ide
    samsung dvdrw
    2x1024 kingston hyper-x pc3200/ windows xp pro sp3
    logitech mx518/ logitech wingman rumble
    2x samsung 955df 19"/ canon i960
    creative x-fi fatal1ty 64mb/ altec lansing 251-5.1
    mushkin 550w

    opteron 146 @ 2850 (10x285)
    DFI infinity nf4 ultra
    thermaltake tsunami dream -black
    seagate sataII 500gb
    evga 8600gt oc ssc edition
    samsung sata dvd-rw
    2x1024 ocz black
    logitech ifeel/ nec accusync 75f
    ocz fatal1ty 550w

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    is it possible to fit small north or south bridge coolers on the a7n8x dx?
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    200mhz X 11.0 = 2.205GIG
    creative audigy 2
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    CPU full load 28C
    Case full load 24C
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    11682 marks=xp best performance settings @ 2500+ 166mhz x 11.0X = 1.83GIG

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