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    hehe this seemed pretty cool to me..
    seems like apple is considering moving to x86 =)
    http://www.macedition.com/nmr/nmr_20021112.php

    I qoute
    "While the applications exhibited a few rough edges, eyewitnesses attest, FCP “flew” on the AMD box compared with its performance on current PowerPC hardware."

    FCP is Final Cut Pro, video editing


    Saw this first on NVnews btw
    http://www.nvnews.net/

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    That's been the constant rumour since the slot A Athlons but maybe now it's getting closer with the almost brickwall effect that they've been gettin' as it seems to be almost impossible to scale their architecture any further reliablely atm. ;)
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    yeah they seem to be at the end of the road now..
    I read some tidbits on the K8 over here
    http://www6.tomshardware.com/mainboa...017/index.html

    Seems like a grand achiecture since rumours say that the 3200+ is only 1.6Ghz.. but again its only rumors..

    this seemed pretty cool too
    "The socket of the future at AMD breaks a new record in the x86 world with 754 pins. The Intel Xeon is based on 603 pins"

    the socket A has been around for a while now.. and that is great that you dont need a new mobo every cpu upgrade.

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    You have to remember that the K7/K8 architectures borrow heavily from past and present PowerPC designs. Thats part of the reason that AMD are "More than Megahurtz". The move would be logical, but it needs to be pointed out that Apple would not move to x86. They may move to x86-64, but that is unlikely. What is more likely is that AMD would be contracted to develop a PPC compatible version of its K8 architecture.

    The reason for this, is that there are far too many developers who have written and optimised code for PPC, and a move to x86-64 would basically piss them off beyond reckoning, and be ultimately a bad business move for Apple.

    But yeah, we can only hope! Would sure help AMD out of the financial ditch they are currently in.

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    I recall the rumors of MacOS X was developed for PPC and x86 at the same time, 2 different versions..
    Incase the new PPC cpus didnt deliver or something...

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    Apple have maintained a version of OS X, called marklar which is designed for x86 systems. It was designed for the eventuality that the G4 processors would not deliver. However this is pretty much just the core of OS X. And as I said, none of the third party apps are designed/compiled to run on x86, nor are they optimised for anything but the PPC architecture. Hence the dillemna.

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    I was under the impressions that the apps in the testboxes ran faster than on MAC...
    not as stable, but its just a test...

    "While the applications exhibited a few rough edges, eyewitnesses attest, FCP “flew” on the AMD box compared with its performance on current PowerPC hardware."

    dont know much about mac but does Mac OS X work with older programs for earlier MacOS?
    Im under the impression they dont.
    And MacOSX is unix based as i understand it, and unix is platform independant isnt it?

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    "Based" is the key word here. It is heavily modified. So that tends to neuter the "platform-independant" part of unix. Since X.2, older programs (<=OS9) no longer run, and as such, all applications need to have been built into OS X. As such, they have been built into a lot of the components of OS X that are the modified parts.

    Further to that, the x86 version, marklar, is not a fully-fledged version of OS X, it is primarily just the kernel and _some_ libraries. The "rough-edges" mentioned would no doubt be due to the incomplete nature of marklar and the x86 conversion of the program. Because, remember that you need to recompile a program for it to run on a new arch, and so they would have needed to recompile and hack/slash some of the code to get the app to run on x86.

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    Not that care much just thought it sounded pretty cool.
    But my point was that mac users and programmers should be used to incompatible new OS versions, so that shouldnt be a problem..
    And if they find that the testbed is superior to the G4 platform they might just change, and still keep the stability by standardizing the components used to build the x86macs..

    Might be useful to be able to have a dual boot with MacosX and Win2K/XP for some people :)

    Time will tell though..

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    Definitely cool. I would love to see x86-64 based macs. If it is going to happen though, it will take time. All developers were given about 2-3 years to get their apps working with OS X before legacy compatibility was removed. So in a couple of years time, we just may see Athlon based Macs!

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