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    Quote Originally Posted by 0R1()N
    Before I read your replies to my thread I emailed the conspirators and got this.....So now I understand..
    That guy is absolutely right... Go ahead, do your own tests run your ram at 400mhz at stock speeds on your AMD rig, then bump it down to 333mhz and see the performance difference... Running your ram sync with your FSB on an athlon HELPS... And when your running a P4, running your ram async helps up until the point where you max out 4.2Gbps (proc's bandwidth) to the ram. Eg., using a dual channel DDR266 rig, run both ram sticks at 2x133mhz; CPU fsb at 133 (QPD: 533) and that'll be your best performing. Or, if you run PC4200 RDRAM, etc etc... But once you reach 4.2Gbps on your memory bandwidth, then going async on a P4 actually degrades performance just like it does on an AMD system. If AMD's system bus was quadpumped like intel's, we wouldn't be having this discussion right now, because hte same rules would apply... Run RAM in Async mode until proc bandwidth hasbeen reached, then run in sync mode (dual channel ddr333 or better... clock it down to 266 (ddr 2.0 multiplier in bios)) then you'll notice a speed improvement over say running dual 333 or dual 400... It's simple logistics man :) Amd's system bus is doubled, intel's is quadroupled, thus the P4's system bus can transfer more data per clock cycle, thus faster ram helps to a POINT. Once your ram breaks 4.2Gbps on a P4, you will actually see things slow down. Hense the SiS 655 chipset surely looks nice on paper, but i'd bench the board's overall performance to the same board w/ a different chipset (the 7205 GB board) which only officially supports ddr266 in dual channel mode. Sure the memory bandwidth would be greater on the SiS 655, but actual speed ... nope, definately not any faster, likely slower than the SiS655.

    Anyway that's my rant :) Take it or leave it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by The__tweaker
    oh man..

    Amd cpu tested: 333 Fsb
    Memory used: 333 Mhz

    Intel cpu used: 533 Fsb
    Memory used: 533 Mhz

    :idea: yeah that's right, fastest hardware used..! ;)



    :cheers:
    AMD FSB = 166 x 2
    P4 FSB = 133 x 4

    P4's runninga slower FSB, it's just capable of transferring more data per clock cycle, thus the performance increase.
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    where is amd's pride!!!!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: where is the 3ghz cpu ?
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    I think the processors speed is fine, since it can do equal amount of work.

    The problems lay in two areas.

    the FSB only now reaching 333Mhz and Intel's god damn copyrighted SSE2.

    I wonder what the technical reason has been that has kept AMD from pumping up the FSB. Perhaps since it is doing more work in fewer clock cycles it can?t use the higher FSB?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 0R1()N
    where is amd's pride!!!!:cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: :cry: where is the 3ghz cpu ?
    AMD is about 2 more core steppings on the XP line of Athlon processors from breaking 3ghz... and you won't see AMD put that much time or money into it any more... Consider the Barton the last Athlon XP :)
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