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    Gee don't ya's just love all the totesterone flowin' around here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by The__tweaker
    Another thing which I find intresting is the fact that you expect us to trust a application never ever used let alone heard of by any known site or by any other known reviewer whilst ya can't trust well known everyday apps to show the difference between platforms.. Strange don't ya think.. Anyone could have written that software for any purpose..
    Ok.... here we go....

    First, on the trust thing. You don't trust Microsoft Excel???? Did you even download the thing and check it out? While I'm no expert in Microsoft Excel, the benchmark looks like a standard Excel spread sheet to me. And unless you’re a crack programmer or you work for Microsoft, I don't think you're going to be able write an Excel spreadsheet to favor one platform over another.

    Now I'm not that surprised that the AMD CPU's are doing a lot better than the P4's in this benchmark (and you shouldn't be surprised either) because almost everyone one on the planet knows that the Athlon is very strong in office productivity. I'm not trying to brag here because who cares. My Athlon system kicks ass in Excel...... whoppy ****! :p I was just checkin' out the guys home made benchmark and posting what I got. :)

    Quote Originally Posted by The__tweaker
    Well first of all you might want to use the both cpu's to their fully potential which you can't do on those platforms.

    Using 266 mhz fsb with a cpu that can do 400 isn't comparable at all since you ain't doing the same on your Athlon. It's simple math and I think you can manage it to if ya try really hard. That 266 mhz athlon of yours must be run with a chipset/memory on 133 mhz speed, aka sdram = half the fsb speed in order to get a fair comparizon.. Or rather give the P4 a platform that can support 400 fsb to give it what it needs to perfom to it's fully potential. After all this thread have had alot of whining about "unfair" testing so you for one should be intrested in doing things right..

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    But sure, I ain't claiming that a 400 fsb P4 perform that well cause they don't, but you see we doesn't run P4's at 266 mhz fsb like you do today, we run them on 800 mhz in dual channel and pretty soon 1200 so why don't ya keep drooling over that john doe test of your's and let us others show some real facts like the one given in the start of this thread..
    Second... I'm not sure I completely understand what you’re saying here but I think you are trying to say that the P4 systems I tested had an unfair disadvantage because they were coupled with PC2100 DDR-SDRAM. (Am I right?)

    Well my response is, with this particular benchmark I don't think this would hurt the P4 systems I tested at all. This benchmark seems to be a pure number crunching, CPU intensive test only and it doesn't seem to stress the FSB or memory bus at all. I don't think there is enough data flowing across the FSB or memory bus to come close to saturating even a 133MHz bus. To test this theory I ran a few more tests with the CPU running the same speed and only changing the FSB and memory bus speeds.

    The first test I did was to downclock my 1.4GHz/266MHz Athlon to 1.2GHz/200MHz and run the PC2100 DDR-SDRAM at 200MHz (or PC1600) speed. Then I compared the results to my 1.2GHz/200MHz laptop that uses standard PC133 SDRAM. The downclocked 1.4GHz system should have an advantage because it's using DDR-SDRAM instead of PC133 SDRAM.

    And the results I got are...

    1.2GHz/200MHz + 200MHz (PC1600) DDR-SDRAM= 45:55
    1.2GHz/200MHz + 133MHz (PC133) SDRAM = 44:59

    As you can see, the laptop actually came in one minute faster. I can only attribute this to the fact that the laptop has a Palomino core with SSE and better branch prediction while the downclocked 1.4GHz system uses a standard Thunderbird core. (Or it's close enough that we might be able to attribute it to error.)

    Now for the second round I took thing a little further. For these test I ran my main (Barton core) system downclocked to 1.4GHz but I ran the test three times. Once with a FSB of 266MHz, another with a FSB of 333MHz and finally with a FSB of 400MHz. Then I compared those scores with my 1.4GHz/266MHz Thunderbird system.

    And the results I got are...

    (Thunderbird)
    1.4GHz/266MHz + 266MHz (PC2100) DDR-SDRAM = 38:54
    (Barton)
    1.4GHz/266MHz + 266MHz (PC2100) DDR-SDRAM = 35:10
    1.4GHz/333MHz + 333MHz (PC2700) DDR-SDRAM = 34:24
    1.4GHz/400MHz + 400MHz (PC3200) DDR-SDRAM = 34:33

    As you can see, the different FSB speeds have very little effect on the outcome. And again, the Barton seems to pull ahead of the Thunderbird probably because of the SSE, better branch prediction and larger L2 cache.

    So what does this prove? Nothing except that it appears that in this benchmark the FSB and/or memory bus speed have little to no effect on the outcome. This benchmark seems to rely on how much number crunching power the CPU has only.

    Not satisfied? Well after those tests I decided to step it up a little more. I decided to do an "apples to apple" comparison. How? Well the P4 systems I ran the benchmark on ran at 2GHz with a 400MHz FSB but the RAM ran at 266MHz and was only 512MB.

    So to do an apples to apples comparison I setup my main Barton system to run those same exact speeds. I set my FSB to 400MHz (200MHz DDR) and the multiplier to 10x. Then I set the memory bus ratio to 66% which gave me a RAM speed of 266MHz (133MHz DDR). And to make things even fairer, I only ran one stick of 512MB RAM so that my dual channel nForce 2 board wouldn't have the "dual" channel advantage. So with it set up this way, the only difference between the two platforms is one is an Intel platform and the other is an AMD platform. But specs wise, they are both running the exact same speed.

    And the results I got are...

    (Intel 845G system)
    P4 2GHz/400MHz + 266MHz DDR-SDRAM = 36:00

    (VIA P4M266 system)
    P4 2GHz/400MHz + 266MHz DDR-SDRAM = 37:20

    (nForce 2 system / single channel)
    Athlon 2GHz/400MHz + 266MHz DDR-SDRAM = 24:56

    As you can see even though they are all running at 2GHz, all have 512K L2 cache, all have a 400MHz FSB and are all coupled with slower 266MHz PC2100 DDR-RAM, the Athlon still handles the P4's (in this benchmark) quit nicely. :D

    What do ya think? ;)

    (To save space in this post I didn't include screen shots but I can provide them if you want.)
    DAS

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    Damn for all the time it took ya replyin' I was expecting a full sized novel.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggo
    Damn for all the time it took ya replyin' I was expecting a full sized novel.
    :?: :?:
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    :rofl:

    Gee this thread has gone way off topic, and since no one seem to stick to it then we better close the case. I for one Is still going to check out reviews before buying new hardware. But if you think otherwise then DO otherwise.. :D

    Anyway I'm of for work, see ya guys in a couple of days, back friday..


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    As the old sayin' goes that I use in these topics, Certain horses for certain courses, each have their strengths and weaknesses so choose ya course first and then choose ya horse whether ya want the P4's turbo 4 cylinder feel or the Athlon's V8 one to suit the programs that ya generally run. :devil win

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    Quote Originally Posted by The__tweaker
    :rofl:

    Gee this thread has gone way off topic, and since no one seem to stick to it then we better close the case. I for one Is still going to check out reviews before buying new hardware. But if you think otherwise then DO otherwise.. :D

    Anyway I'm of for work, see ya guys in a couple of days, back friday..


    Off topic? Hmmm.... I thought this was a thread called "amd vs intel article"....... isn't that what we're talking about? AMD vs Intel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by das9092
    Off topic? Hmmm.... I thought this was a thread called "amd vs intel article"....... isn't that what we're talking about? AMD vs Intel?
    Maybe you should go back to the start and check. ;)

    This thread is about the TT review on Intel and Amd's new cpu's.

    The P4 won every test but one, but as they are all bogus don't even bother to read it. :2cents:


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    Quote Originally Posted by Wiggo
    As the old sayin' goes that I use in these topics, Certain horses for certain courses, each have their strengths and weaknesses so choose ya course first and then choose ya horse whether ya want the P4's turbo 4 cylinder feel or the Athlon's V8 one to suit the programs that ya generally run. :devil win
    hehehe my heaviest apps makes my Amd feel like a damn tricyckle compared to the P4 plus all those reviews all around us, so then ya might understand why I have the attitude I express.. :devil win


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    look at what i started:confused:

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