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    There is just one man, video encoding, your cpu can never be to fast for that. Movies takes shorter and shorter time to encode with those new speedmonsters, these activitys also uses hyper thread real good.. Other than that, i agree..

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    I'm just wondering here, but were does this moron get the "AMD has to be 2x better at the same price"?!?!

    No it's only %50 faster, I ain't using that ****, I'm waiting for double "power" of a P4!?

    What is this guy on? There is no substance in his entire article. He just dances around and pretends to say something for a couple of pages and then says "I'm sorry but AMD is dead"?

    With prices so different worldwide how can he make such broad statements. Here in the state I can get a Athlon XP 1700, 1800, or 1900 for around $50 and a 2100 for under $80. To get a P4 matches the rating you will pay about double.

    But in other countries the situation might be reversed.

    Basically when you're ready to buy, decide how much you want to spend what you'll do with the comp. and then look witch one preforms better at what you want for the price your willing to pay. Upgrading is pretty BS when becomes really worthwhile to up grade you'll probably want to replace the whole kit.

    Yet another super long post/rant by StB. :blah:

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    Intel

    Enuf said.

    Amd forever. :cheers:
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    Don't take it so hard man, nothing has happened yet..

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    hmmmm Its hees probably smokin thermal compound
    *cough* *cough* I....ahh.....o look at the time gota go...
    I shall stir the gates of hell once more and stare into the jaws of death and laugh, for I will know fear no more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBalrog
    I'm just wondering here, but were does this moron get the "AMD has to be 2x better at the same price"?!?!

    No it's only %50 faster, I ain't using that ****, I'm waiting for double "power" of a P4!?

    What is this guy on? There is no substance in his entire article. He just dances around and pretends to say something for a couple of pages and then says "I'm sorry but AMD is dead"?

    With prices so different worldwide how can he make such broad statements. Here in the state I can get a Athlon XP 1700, 1800, or 1900 for around and a 2100 for under . To get a P4 matches the rating you will pay about double.

    But in other countries the situation might be reversed.

    Basically when you're ready to buy, decide how much you want to spend what you'll do with the comp. and then look witch one preforms better at what you want for the price your willing to pay. Upgrading is pretty BS when becomes really worthwhile to up grade you'll probably want to replace the whole kit.

    Yet another super long post/rant by StB. :blah:
    Here, in Ontario Canada where I'm at, our P4 proc's are 20 bucks cheaper for their counterpart--2.4 vs 2400+--(2.53 vs 2600+ is 60 bucks difference, AMD being more expensive). So needless to say, around here, people buy what's cheaper, and the others buy what performs better. Since both those procs perform equally (intel beats AMD on some tests half the time, AMD beats intel on other tests about half the time), you and i and people who buy for speed, would buy the proc that overclocks better (aka, the P4) and save ourselves a few bucks in the process. Now these prices I was just quoting, was what I sell the 2.53 for to other companies, compared to what I buy the 2600+ from from my supplier. The price difference between the 2.53 and 2600+ retail value is about 100 bucks... No brainer there on what to pick when ya buy :) And I do understand that different procs are cheaper different places, but I mean ****... I get sick and tired of people saying AMD is half the price of intel proc's for equivilant speeds... because, that's just an isolated incident (or your buying online from a retailler who orders thousands of AMD proc's and only a few Intel procs... thus they get price breaks on AMD proc's more than they would on Intel procs).

    I'd put my 2.53 (running at stock) up against a 2600+, and my 2.8 up against a 2800+ (oh wait, those are limitted edition processors I forgot (can we say oops to AMD :snip:))... Any day of the week for benchmarking purposes using the same hardware in both machines 'cept boards of course... and I ain't saying the P4's will whip the AMD's, I'm just saying, half the time the AMD proc may come out on top, and the other half the time the Intel Proc will... and both P4's are cheaper than the AMD counterparts.

    Just gets me when people start saying that kinda crap man.
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    Here in the states AMD is usually cheaper for similarly rated CPU's. The difference is huge at the low end and negligible at the very high end.

    All prices USD & Retail boxxes from NewEgg.com

    P4 - 533.................Athlon - Thoroughbred
    1.7 - $123..............1700+/1.47 - $68
    1.8 - $143..............1800+/1.53 - $72
    .............................1900+/1.60 - $89 (AGOGA Stepping)
    2.0 - $169..............2000+/1.67 - $86 (May be Pal)
    .............................2100+/1.73 - $102
    .............................2200+/1.80 - $117
    2.4 - $165..............2400+/2.0 - $137
    2.53 - $193............2500+/1.83 - $189 (Barton)
    2.65 - $240............2600+/2.08 - $261
    .............................2700+/2.17 - $282
    2.80 - $362............2800+/2.25 - $368 (Thoroughbred - OEM | Retail - $389 - out of stock)
    .............................2800+/2.08 - $388 (Barton)
    3.06 - $567............3000+/2.16 - $600


    So there ya go, low to mid end AMD costs about half to two thirds then moving on to the high end price are about equal with AMD actually more expensive.

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    also bare in mind that when ya buy a boxed amd cpu you also want to buy a better hsf while Intels hsf can give sufficient coolin at stock and with light to mdium oc.. :thumb: This fact often add about 15-40$ on the amd procs depending on how good cooling you need/want.

    "retail i know"

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmokeyTheBalrog
    Here in the states AMD is usually cheaper for similarly rated CPU's. The difference is huge at the low end and negligible at the very high end.

    All prices USD & Retail boxxes from NewEgg.com

    P4 - 533.................Athlon - Thoroughbred
    1.7 - 3..............1700+/1.47 -
    1.8 - 3..............1800+/1.53 -
    .............................1900+/1.60 - (AGOGA Stepping)
    2.0 - 9..............2000+/1.67 - (May be Pal)
    .............................2100+/1.73 - 2
    .............................2200+/1.80 - 7
    2.4 - 5..............2400+/2.0 - 7
    2.53 - 3............2500+/1.83 - 9 (Barton)
    2.65 - 0............2600+/2.08 - 1
    .............................2700+/2.17 - 2
    2.80 - 2............2800+/2.25 - 8 (Thoroughbred - OEM | Retail - 9 - out of stock)
    .............................2800+/2.08 - 8 (Barton)
    3.06 - 7............3000+/2.16 - 0


    So there ya go, low to mid end AMD costs about half to two thirds then moving on to the high end price are about equal with AMD actually more expensive.
    Well, on the high end here, the 3000+ barton is more expensive than the 3.06ghz p4 by 60 bucks :) And the 3.06 is still very expensive here (my cost on it just over 450 CDN$)... but the price diff between the 2.8 and the 2800+, is 135 CDN$... But when ya get down to the value system proc's (under 2.4ghz p4, 2400+ athlon) the prices are 'bout even until ya drop below 2000+, then the AMD is cheaper. I'd post prices if I was at the office right now :)
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    The reason I posted retail only is that usually the difference between retail and OEM is between 1 to 10 bucks 30 when you get to the very high end. I figured a 3 year warranty on a 60 to 100+ dollar CPU and 30 for a $500 CPU would be worth that.

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