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    Thumbs up Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    The performance of the 100GB 4,200 RPM HDD in my HP 2710p tablet using Vista and Bitlocker has been unbearable for some time. I've been watching forum/blog posts for several months looking for a workable SSD solution. I talked to a few people who had tried first generation SSDs, and they said that SSD performance was WORSE than the 4,200 RPM HDD that I already was using. Based on the forum/blog posts that I've seen, this is probably due to the controllers used.....

    After several good reports in the same sources regarding the throughput of the Runcore IV products, I decided to give it a try. I've had the Runcore SSD installed for almost a week, and performance FAR EXCEEDS MY EXPECTATIONS. Read/write performance for 4K random files has improved over 500% (even under Bitlocker). So far I've had zero problems. MS Word and Excel start instantly (previously this took 30-60 seconds). Previously, network-based backup would bring my system to its knees. Now, I don't even notice.

    Note: The fact that some Runcore installations noted in this forum have started out great and developed problems later has not been lost on me. I'm keeping my system backed up, and my old HDD is close at hand in case it's needed; however, so far, so good.

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    After some initial confusion regarding installing the SSD in the USB enclosure, given below are the steps for my installation.
    1. Turn Bitlocker off and decrypt the laptopís HDD.
    2. Connect SSD via USB and copy Migrate Easy to HDD.
    3. Install Migrate Easy on the HDD & reboot.
    4. Execute Migrate Easy to clone the HDD to the SSD.
    5. Physically replace the HDD with the SSD.
    6. Re-enable Bitlocker and encrypt the SSD.
    Note: this installation required that the ZIF cable for the HDD be reused on the SSD.

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    I am considering a Runcore 128GB SSD for my 2710p but I am confused by the different models. Which one is compatible with the 2710p? Many thanks for the help!

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Quote Originally Posted by thalweg View Post
    I am considering a Runcore 128GB SSD for my 2710p but I am confused by the different models. Which one is compatible with the 2710p? Many thanks for the help!
    I am using RunCore 128GB Pro IV 1.8" 5mm PATA Zif in my HP2710P. It's part# RCP-IV-Z1828-C. Mine came from My Digital Discount. Even though two ZIF cables are included with the new SSD, installation of the SSD into the computer required that the ZIF cable for the HDD be reused on the SSD.

    Still no HD errors and disk benchmarks are as good as the day the SSD was installed. System: HP 2710P, Vista + Bitlocker.

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    turpindm thanks for the post. That computer is the perfect candidate for our zif upgrade. We have had many people ask us about that computer and say the same thing as you are saying about the dog slow HDD in a Ferrari of a computer.

    You have unleashed the true power of your PC.

    Matt

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Read/write performance for 4K random files has improved over 500% (even under Bitlocker). So far I've had zero problems. MS Word and Excel start instantly (previously this took 30-60 seconds). Previously, network-based backup would bring my system to its knees. Now, I don't even notice.
    FYI. For the original HDD, Vista's Windows Experience Index for the disk data transfer rate was 3.9. With the Runcore SSD, the index is 5.7.

    Note: this installation required that the ZIF cable for the HDD be reused on the SSD.
    Note: There were rubber shock absorbers on the corners of the HDD along with other foam pieces to cushion the HDD. I could not get all of this material back in the drive bay with the Runcore. I put enough of it to prevent the SSD drive from moving, and left out the rest. Since the SSD has no moving parts, shock absorption shouldn't be as big a deal anyway.

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    Smile Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Hi

    I 'm running the 64GB version on 2510p , great results !
    os is Vista 32 with 4GB

    it just becames the fastest computer I ever used

    but looking at my benchmarks, I wonder if what's wrong with my write performances ...
    would you please post your scores please ?
    thanks

    Vincent

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    CrystalDiskMark 2.2 (C) 2007-2008 hiyohiyo
    Crystal Dew World : Crystal Dew World
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    Sequential Read : 78.710 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 30.101 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 75.060 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 26.084 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 16.612 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 2.610 MB/s
    Test Size : 50 MB
    Date : 2009/10/07 0:06:01

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Are you using the Pro IV or the 1st 1.8" we came out with?

    That performance defiantly looks way off for a pro IV.

    Matt

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Hi

    yes it is RCP-IV-Z1864-C
    below the output of sandra 2009.9.15.124
    Why it shows 32MB of cache ?
    Why my writes performances are not as expected ?

    Vincent

    General Capabilities
    Channel : Master
    Type : ATA
    Interface : SATA
    Removable : No
    Model : RunCore 64G-C SSD
    Revision : 1571
    Serial Number : RC0900013650
    ATA/ATAPI Approved Version : 7.00
    Cache Size : 32MB
    Drive Geometry
    CHS Geometry : 16383 x 16 x 63
    CHS Total Sectors : 16514064
    LBA Total Sectors : 125045424
    Number of ECC Bytes : 12288
    Capacity : 59.63GB
    Translation Mode Disk Geometry
    CHS Geometry : 7783 x 255 x 63
    Bytes Per Sector : 512bytes
    Capacity : 59.62GB
    Partitions Information
    Partition 1 : MBR Boot IFS-NTFS 6.5GB
    Partition 2 : MBR IFS-NTFS 53.12GB
    Logical Drives
    Logical Drive : C:
    Logical Drive : S:
    Cache Information
    Read Cache : Yes
    Write Cache : Yes
    Prefetch Buffer : No

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    Default Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    As for WINDOW OS cache problem you mentioned this morning, As far as I know when the buffer more than 32MB, HD Tune&everest ultimate or others software could only display it as 32MB. It is the problem between OS and disk physical layer protocol .So may be we should found a way to slove it...


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    Smile Re: Experience with 128GB 1.8" ZIF in HP 2710p

    Quote Originally Posted by Magic20100 View Post
    but looking at my benchmarks, I wonder if what's wrong with my write performances ...
    would you please post your scores please ?
    thanks

    Date : 2009/10/07 0:06:01
    So here are the benchmarks for the original sloooooow 4,200 RPM HDD that came with my tablet-laptop:

    Sequential Read : 17.48 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 12.78 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 8.447 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 10.64 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 0.205 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 0.681 MB/s

    Here are benchmarks for the same computer/OS/config with the Runcore 128 GB PATA Zif:

    Sequential Read : 81.13 MB/s
    Sequential Write : 66.53 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 72.35 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 66.31 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 16.12 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 8.336 MB/s

    Here's the same computer/OS with Bitlocker turned on (my normal operating mode):

    Sequential Read : 65.41MB/s
    Sequential Write : 50.77 MB/s
    Random Read 512KB : 53.31 MB/s
    Random Write 512KB : 36.10 MB/s
    Random Read 4KB : 11.30 MB/s
    Random Write 4KB : 5.844 MB/s

    Word and Excel launch in one or two seconds (compared to 30-60 before); moreover, my network-enabled backup runs WITHOUT ANY IMPACT ON MY SYSTEM. Before, I could do no work while it was running.

    This has been the most productive PC upgrade that I've ever done!

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