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Thread: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!




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    Default Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Hi, I recently bought a new hard drive, Western Digital parallel ATA,
    80GB (WDD800) and tried to install on my pretty outdated PC (Pentium 3
    500Mhz, 128MB RAM)
    I am installing this new hard drive as the only hard drive in my PC as
    my case is small and can't fit 2 hard drives, so I took out my old
    hard drive.

    It turns out that my motherboard does not recognise this new drive
    which is understandable the motherboard is old.

    I checked out a few options to work around this. 1. I could flash my
    BIOS, but the motherboard company hasn't put out a new version and I
    am too chicken to flash it antway. 2. I read an article on
    PCWorld.co.nz (somewhere I can't remember) that the easiest solution
    is to install an IDE controller.

    So I did. I bought "Silicon Image SiI0680 Ultra 133 Medley ATA RAID
    controller" Installation took a while but I got there and got Windows
    XP installed.
    But here remains a problem I still can't solve, hopefully one of you
    computer geniuses can help.

    On booting, the BIOS correctly shows that my primary master and slave
    are empty (primary master was where I hooked up my old hard drive
    which I now disconnect) and my secondary master occupied by a CD
    writer. Then the controller kicks in telling me my new hard drive is
    installed on it. But then a message "Disk Boot Failure" comes up and I
    can't boot. This occurs when I set boot sequence to "C - CDROM - A"
    But interestingly, when I set the sequence to "CDROM - C - A" and I
    leave my Windows XP disk in the CDROM, when it gets to booting, it
    asks me to press any button to boot from CDROM, when I ignore this to
    prevent booting from the CD, viola, Windows XP boots from my new hard
    drive.

    Can anyone tell me how I can get around this? I don't when to have to
    leave my Windows XP disk in there everytime I boot up.

    Thanks

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Silly question but a possibility: Do you have a disk in the floppy drive?
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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Quote Originally Posted by PrairieDawg
    Silly question but a possibility: Do you have a disk in the floppy drive?
    Nope

    Any more suggestions?

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    When I first built this system I had the same problem, I needed to have the XP cd in the CD-ROM in order to boot. You need to have your system hard drive on the Primary Master.

    Did you ever try putting the hard drive back onto your motherboard after you installed Windows XP?
    My Current Rigs:
    Antec P180, OCZ Powerstream 520W, DFI nF4 SLI-DR Expert, AMD X2 4400 w/XP120(2.6GHz@1.45v), 2x1GB OCZ Platnium PC3200, BFG 7900GT@592/800(1.6), WD 250GB SATA, Maxtor 120GB IDE, LG DVD/CD Combo(black), Sony DRU-810 DL DVD Burner(black)
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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Have you tried it with boot order "CD ROM - C - A" and not leave the XP install disc in?

    Do you have any other boot options in BIOSs. Such as boot from SCSI?
    AMD XP 2600+
    SOYO Dragon 400
    1 gig 3200 DDR
    Phillips CD/RW
    Pioneer DVD -/+ RW
    2-60 gig HD in RAID, 1 60 gig backup
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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Quote Originally Posted by kgburns
    Have you tried it with boot order "CD ROM - C - A" and not leave the XP install disc in?
    Actually most prefer either A/CD-ROM/C or CD-ROM/A/C (unless a RAID, SCSI or SATA drive is involved and then generally SCSI is usually needed instead of C, its also very hard to boot from a floppy if the hard drive is set before the floppy drive).

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    I have mine set to CD ROM - C - A and if I need to boot from the CD I dont have to go and play with the bois, so what if it takes 1 second more to boot.

    And in my case when this happened the XP CD HAD TO BE in the CD ROM in order to boot at all. No matter what order the boot prioity was set to. The way I resolved it was switching my ide cables on the motherboard, ie the one with the CD\DVD ROMs
    and the one with your hard drive(s). Pluged the cables in the wrong ones I did haha.
    My Current Rigs:
    Antec P180, OCZ Powerstream 520W, DFI nF4 SLI-DR Expert, AMD X2 4400 w/XP120(2.6GHz@1.45v), 2x1GB OCZ Platnium PC3200, BFG 7900GT@592/800(1.6), WD 250GB SATA, Maxtor 120GB IDE, LG DVD/CD Combo(black), Sony DRU-810 DL DVD Burner(black)
    3DMark01:25379, 3DMark03:19746
    3DMark05:9294, 3DMark06:5340

    Raidmax Cobra, Fortron PN-400W, ASUS A8N-E(nF4 Ultra), X2 3800 w/AMD heatpipe cooler, 2x 512MB Crucial Balistix, ATI X300, WD 250GB IDE, Samsung 16x DVD/RW

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Quote Originally Posted by Amd_Lover2004
    When I first built this system I had the same problem, I needed to have the XP cd in the CD-ROM in order to boot. You need to have your system hard drive on the Primary Master.

    Did you ever try putting the hard drive back onto your motherboard after you installed Windows XP?
    Hi, thanks for all your suggestions.
    I can't have my system hard drive on primary master coz the new hard disk is too new for my motherboard "MS-6163" and tha't why I purchased the the RAID card so I can use the new hdd.

    And also I tried booting SCSI first, but did not work

    And I tried taking out the XP CD with boot order CDROM-C-A, but it just says bott disk failure and demand me to insert the CD.

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    The reason it is wanting your XP CD is because your CDROM is plugged in on your Primary conector or It considers your pci card to be another secondary chanel and dosent consider it as a primary, and I dont think you can change this in bios, all the bios does is select what you want to boot first second and third. If it is a good card it MAY have its own bios extention that you can tweak.
    My Current Rigs:
    Antec P180, OCZ Powerstream 520W, DFI nF4 SLI-DR Expert, AMD X2 4400 w/XP120(2.6GHz@1.45v), 2x1GB OCZ Platnium PC3200, BFG 7900GT@592/800(1.6), WD 250GB SATA, Maxtor 120GB IDE, LG DVD/CD Combo(black), Sony DRU-810 DL DVD Burner(black)
    3DMark01:25379, 3DMark03:19746
    3DMark05:9294, 3DMark06:5340

    Raidmax Cobra, Fortron PN-400W, ASUS A8N-E(nF4 Ultra), X2 3800 w/AMD heatpipe cooler, 2x 512MB Crucial Balistix, ATI X300, WD 250GB IDE, Samsung 16x DVD/RW

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    Default Re: Old PC, new hard drive, IDE controller, help!

    Check the jumper on the back of your hard drive and make sure it is set to "Master" and make sure the jumper on the back of the CD-ROM is "Slave". This is what seems like the problem to me.
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    1024MB PC-3200 DDR-SDRAM
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    Foxconn 865-PE6LS Motherboard
    Western Digital WD400BB 40GB, Western Digital WD600BB 60GB Hard Drives
    POWTEC Demon 480W PSU
    Dell UltraSharp 18001FP 18" LCD Monitor
    Windows XP Professional SP2

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