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    Default Presario S4210NX and new 300Gig HD questions

    Compaq Presario S4210NX and new 300 Gig IDE hard drive questions

    Here are some links on the problem....
    The 48 LBA solution 48bitLBA.com - Overview
    Question on 28 bit addressing 28-bit addressing - Tech Support Forum

    Compaq's Specs on this PC Product Specifications Compaq Presario S4210NX Desktop PC - HP Customer Care (United States - English)

    Hi Guys I have a couple of questions on installing a IDE hard drive on a old compaq presario S4210NX desktop. I will give the full specs later on down the page. Yes, I have been researching this issue, but I have come to a roadblock.
    The main problems is whether the new hard drive will operate with the full 300GB of space available or will it just show up with 127 GB max due to limitations of the older chipset and BIOS. I have searhed HP's site to see if I could find info on my mainboard but there not much, alas. I will look at Asus website to see similar boards and the specs for this chipset, but it is similar at best.
    The hard drive that came with the rig is 80 GB in size and was slower than molasses. You could actually hear the hard drive seeking the information on the hard drive and the HD activity light was showing as busy while this was occuring(quite frequently in fact).
    IDE controller as a solution ( I have and old controller )
    I do have an old IDE controller for PCI slot that might solve this problem. However its a bit misplaced for now. I will give some specs on that later on down in the thread.
    Questions summarized
    1 How to find out what type of addressing my chipset supports natively, 28 or 48 bit addressing?
    2 How to find out what my BIOS supports 28 or 48 bit addressing?
    3 If BIOS or hardware does not support HD's over 137GB then what is solution? IDE controller? Hardware upgrade? BIOS update(not available).
    System Information here and in the link above.
    Chipset = 845GL CPU = Pentium 4 2.4GHz with a 478 type socket.
    (mPGA478)
    Frontside Bus speed = 400MHz Original Hard drive 80GB at 5400 RPM
    Memory = 1024 MB DDR SDRAM ( have upgaded to regular 500 MB sticks)
    One is kingston and other is PNY. 1 GB memory max for system.
    three PCI slots and a 200 watt Power Supply.
    Thanks in advance
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 03-03-2010 at 11:43 AM. Reason: add infor
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Presario S4210NX and new 300Gig HD questions

    In Reply to my own post, I have realized that I need to check whether the Chipset supports 48 bit addressing first as it is harder to check the BIOS for proper support. I have found a page in WD's support site that helps to clarify this situation. The site states that during windows installation a drive is detected as 137GB even though it is larger. This is due to the limitations of the chipset, BIOS or lack of IDE drivers. The affected chipsets are listed on the page and the 845GL is included in the list. Here is the link
    During Windows installation, drives larger than 137GB are only recognized as 137GB (128GB Binary). Support for 48 bit LBA will not be available in these chipsets until the Intel application accelerator software is installed.
    If I were to check the BIOS I would need a version of windows installed, then use a program to check the BIOS.
    Arriving at the conclusion, that if the chipset does not support 48 bit LBA then why would the BIOS be designed to support it?
    12-26-09 UPDATE I had some trouble using the CD/DVD drive to install the factory supplied Operating System. The error was boot from CD - NO EMULATION then it does not start to install. After some research I have concluded that the solution is to set the CD/DVD drive to Slave both on the jumper and the cable(IDE) Also setting the floppy to first boot device was suggested (but I think this is not needed). The order advised was 1 floppy 2 CD/DVD and 3 hard drive (boot order) Here is the link to solution post
    booting from CD-ROM, No Emulation

    1-10-10 UPDATE TO POST After I got the system to boot to CDs and install I still had problems. It seems something went wrong with the installation and the hard drive is slowly being detected. It boots and then hard drive does not detect right away and then I get NTLDR is missing error.
    So, for now I hit F1 to get into BIOS and then give it extra time to boot, then exit and then restart. It loads windows up real good but have to have a floppy drive installed or it fails to detect floppy.
    UPDATE AND CORRECTION: At the time I performed these tests I thought that 48-bit LBA was not available, this is not true. The HDinfo software stated that it was not supported, but that was only an evaluation version. The paid version of HDinfo states that the drives have 48-bit LBA enabled. The other test "Enable Big LBA" checks for various sw to be installed like SP3. The HDinfo tool is available at the 48-bit LBA site. link -- >> http://www.48bitlba.com/hdinfo.htm I also tried this test-->> http://www.48bitlba.com/enablebiglbatool.htm
    Max out............................................... ...
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 04-11-2010 at 11:06 AM. Reason: sp
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Default Re: Presario S4210NX and new 300Gig HD questions

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    Last edited by MadMax2911; 02-14-2010 at 01:20 AM. Reason: add info
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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    Feburary 13 2010 Update: I have used the auto detect setting in the BIOS for two hard drives (IDE) one is 160 GB and other is the 330 GB. When I boot the 160GB drive is detected right away, however the 330GB is not. I get around this by pressing F1 to get back into BIOS, and the second time I get into BIOS the 330GB drive is now being detected. What I can not understand is why the drive is not detected the first time I boot and detect drives?? My guess is that the BIOS needs extra time to detect the harddrive and prepare it for use, simply because it is so big.
    I have the OS installed on the 330GB drive so i need to do this everytime I boot to windows XP, annoying. more later....max
    03-01-10 UPDATE: Aside for the double boot in order to detect the 330 GB drive, I have encountered another problem. This problem started after I installed a PCI IDE controller from Via. After setting up BIOS and allowing the install process there was something else. There was a second installation cycle and then I saw something weird in the my computer box. Basically the drives are listed first and not the my documents and shared docs folders as seen in my picture. Later all...
    03-07-10 Sunday the system started freezing after about 1-5 minutes then I would have to force a shutdown in order to exit the freeze(power button hold). I reboot the system and the same thing occurs again. I think it is the power supply as the hard drive stops spinning and thats when the freezes start occuring. Or maybe the new hard drive does not work correctly with this old BIOS. I am starting another thread on another forum and will keep this one updated.
    Max

    4-10-10 UPDATE: Had some problems with the hard drive losing data. Had to perform check disk to fix it and later windows would not boot at all (booted to black screen)
    Found another hard drive and tried to use the controllers to install Win XP but no dice. These controllers are the cheaper variety and require quite a bit of updating and configuration. Only success was installing them in windows environment. Currently installed on a old WD 160Gig drive and updating now. :)
    Max out
    Last edited by MadMax2911; 04-11-2010 at 11:12 AM. Reason: add infor
    BUILD #2 GA-EP45-DS3R [Rev1.0] BIOS Flashed F11e, CPU=INTEL Core2 Quad Q8200 Yorkfield-4M LGA 775 with Mugen2 cooler RAM= Mushkin 996599 link 2 x 2GB, Hard drive=WD 6400AAKS, DVD=HP dvd1160i OS=Win 7 SP1 64 bit Video=BFG 8800GTS OC edition CASE=Thermaltake Tsunami Dream P.S.=Antec TP3-650

    Build #3 GA-EP45-UD3LR__rev 1.0__ BIOS F11, CPU Core2 Duo E8400 3.157GHz WMugen2 Cooler, Power Supply: Antec EA-500D 500 W, RAM: Corsair 2 GB Hard Drive: WD 160 GB OS: Win XP SP3 Video: MSI GTS450 2GB




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