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    Default Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    I have posted previously and asking some question about new Corsair Force 120g drive proformace.
    I decide to make a new topic since many question are unanswered hoping that will help.
    my test results are different with different software.(big difference)

    Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema-all4tests-jpg


    and now I did some more tests with Atto and write on Intel is around 200mb/s and Read 420mb/s
    Which program will give us the correct numbers?

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    Also Wazza300 mention i the other post about my GA-X58A-UD3R board

    "the marvell will be better/faster but in general they can crash or throw up errors more than the intel ports hence using intel would be more reliable,and it only applies to old marvell ports/controllers as there are two types,the newer ones are more reliable,i dont know which ones are on your board though "

    I would like to find out what ports I have. How to do that?

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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    Read almost any ssd review and you'll find that they perform many different benchmarks and the results give scores that are different because the tests are measuring different types of ssd performance. This is also true when testing a cpu or your memory. There isn't one test that is "best" or most accurate. With SandForce drives, ATTO is the "safest" test because it doesn't write many gigabytes of data to your ssd. ATTO often gives some of the highest scores, because it uses compressible data for its normal disk writes and this often gives SandForce drive an "unfair" advantage.

    OCZ Forum - SSD ABC Guide is one of the best technical reference sites that I've found for SSD information. Check out the benchmarking link.

    Check the Device Manager's information about the controllers in your system. Aida, Sandra, and other software applications can generate detailed hardware reports that will tell you almost everything that you would want to know.

    Don't get hung up with benchmark scores. Check out the links in http://forums.tweaktown.com/storage-...rformance.html where you'll find a big difference in real world ssd performance even though the benchmark scores are nearly identical.

    End of my quick and dirty ssd benchmark guide.
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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    I think that your ssd uses asynchronous NAND.
    The Corsair Force GT models use synchronous NAND and will have much better real world performance when both models have about 30% or more space in use.

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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    I think that your ssd uses asynchronous NAND.
    The Corsair Force GT models use synchronous NAND and will have much better real world performance when both models have about 30% or more space in use.
    correct, the Force3 is async
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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    Quote Originally Posted by dJabba View Post
    correct, the Force3 is async
    Can you explain in regular language please.

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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    The Corsair Force 3 ssd uses asynchronous NAND memory chips.
    The Corsair Force GT ssd uses synchronous NAND memory chips.

    Benchmark scores will be similar with both of these drives when there is little or no data on each drive.
    Real world ssd performance with the less expensive asynchronous drives will be significantly lower when there is more data on the drive, even when there is still a lot of unused space on the drive. The OCZ Agility3 asynchronous drive exhibits the same lower performance levels when compared with the OCZ Vertex3 synchronous drives.

    When you read any comprehensive ssd review, you will find that they perform many different benchmarks, and you will see that there is often a big difference in the benchmark scores when different benchmarks are performed on the same drive. The link I provided discusses the different performance results bases on the type of NAND memory chips that are used in different models.

    You will find detailed information if you perform a web search using: ssd benchmark wiki
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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    Thanks profJim for explanation.
    What do you think about my SSD drive why it shows read 400mb/s and write only up to 200mb/s
    where other posters have more close read and write numbers.The setting in atto have same like others (my drive is complitly empty)

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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD Review - Corsair's Force Line Hits The 3rd Generation - Legit Reviews has a detailed review for the Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD.
    Their benchmark tests are performed on an empty ssd and they perform a secure erase before each benchmark test. They use a different drive for the operating system.

    Which ssd firmware are you using?
    Sometimes a newer firmware version will offer improved performance.

    Are you using AHCI mode?
    Is your ssd 4K aligned? The win7 FORMAT tool should create 4K aligned partitions.
    The AS_SSD main window will show if your ssd is 4K aligned if there is a green OK in the upper left portion of the window.

    The Gigabyte web site shows that the GA-X58A-UD3R (rev 1.0 and 2.0) uses
    Marvell 9128 chip:

    1. 2 x SATA 6Gb/s connectors (GSATA3_6, GSATA3_7) supporting up to 2 SATA 6Gb/s devices
    2. Support for SATA RAID 0, and RAID 1

    * SATA3 RAID 0 4x and SATA3 2x performance are maximum theoretical values. Actual performance may vary by system configuration.
    * SATA3 SSDs are not recommended for use in RAID 0 mode on Marvell SE9128 ports.
    You might get better results if you terminate or disable unneeded programs, especially all anti-virus or malware programs. I always wait at least 12 -15 minutes after booting before I run any benchmarks.

    OCZ Forum - SSD ABC Guide has a lot of useful information.
    From the OCZ ssd forum:
    Guide THE BASIC GUIDE & FAQ - ABC for OCZ SSD - Page 2
    Benchmarking

    55.
    The the read/write specs on OCZ.com are using the benchmark program ATTO.
    For the best Staff Support on the Forums.. use "oczwinsat.bat":
    Details of oczwinsat.bat and the thread for Indilinx drives is HERE.
    Details of oczwinsat.bat and the thread for Sandforce drives is HERE.
    IOmeter is used for marketed sustained write speeds and IOPS.
    Both ATTO and IOmeter use highly compressible data sets.
    ATTO can be downloaded HERE.
    IOMeter can be downloaded HERE.
    For the sustained write test, you use the 128K sequential write, queue depth 32.

    56.
    Everyone has their own idea of what constitutes ‘intended’ usage.
    And where Benchmarking fits in to usage, to show speed, or analyse faults.
    All SSD have a life span based on Program Erase Cycles (PEc).
    These in turn are triggered by writes to the nand flash blocks/pages.

    57.
    Benchmarks like Crystal Disk Mark and AS SSD should be used sparingly.
    They write a considerable amount of un-compressible data to your OCZ SSD.
    Careful use is advised, particularly with Sandforce controller SSD.
    This because they encrypt and compress data "on-the-fly".
    Advice on using Benchmarks is as follows:

    Do not use AS_SSD (writes between 3-5 GiB) on default settings.
    Do not use CDM (writes between 15-19 GiB) on default settings.
    Do not use AS_SSD and CDM together in the same Logged On session.
    Do not run FF pattern on ATTO. Default settings are ok.
    Run IOmeter with 4KiB 'sector' alignment. Do not run it to fill the drive.
    Do not use 'Full' Benchmarks more than once in the same Logged On session.
    Do not use any Benchmark (compressible data) more than once a week.
    Do not use any Benchmark (un-compressible data) more than once a month.
    Do not run Random patterns straight after Sequential or vice versa.
    Best to run inidividual tests with small file sizes and not full suite default.
    We can best help if you provide a detailed hardware list in your forum signature. Posting this information in a single post is a PITA for us as we have to scroll though the thread to find this information. Many forum members are assisting in many threads and we might confuse your hardware setup with a similar setup in another thread.
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    Default Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    profJim thanks for pointing the AS_SSD main window to test for 4kb alignment.
    In my case it wasn't and I fix it by realigning to 4kb.
    After that the tests are very similar to previous one(no difference 250write and 400 read)
    I'm filing the drive now and I should post some results with some gigs of space taken, and that is the way apparently to be tested.

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    Exclamation Re: Corsair Force 3 120 GB SATA dylema

    When you are reading an ssd review, they probably are NOT testing the reviewed ssd as a boot drive. Many ssd reviews use motherboards that have Intel sata3 (6 Gbit/s) Intel sata ports. Your motherboard does not have native Intel sata3 ports, but it does have native Intel sata2 ports. The Gsata3 ports on your motherboard use the Marvel 9128 sata controller.

    With your Force 3's asynchronous NAND, you will find that real world performance is lower as you use more disk space. WIth your ssd using more space, you might see that some synthetic benchmark test results are similar to when your ssd was nearly empty.

    Please post an AS_SSD screen-shot from your system.**
    It's not necessary to include the AS_SSD test results in the screen-shot.
    **We need to confirm the information in the upper left portion of the AS_SSD window.

    I spent a little time searching the Corsair SSD forums.
    There is a lot of excellent information in their forum for your Force 3 ssd.
    Check out:
    1. My Corsair 120gb Force 3 perfomance. - The Corsair Support Forums
    2. Corsair Force 3 SSD Issues? READ ME FIRST PLEASE - Page 35 - The Corsair Support Forums
    3. Solid State Drives (SSD) - The Corsair Support Forums
    Your benchmark scores are are similar to the results in the first link.
    Happy reading.
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