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    Lol !.. trouble in paradise.
    Anyway , yeh its SATA2 ssd Wazz, but on the discussion yday when I was thinking about z68 and intel doing ssd caching for p67 , even tho they said it couldnt be done at z68 release.
    Came across this:
    OCZ Synapse Cache SSD review

    Looks like the same thing as intels version, just all you need is sata 3 port for the ssd oh and the synapse ssd itself and win7.


    The fact that its software based and you need the "special" serial no off the ssd box to dload the software makes me wonder is it just a normal vertex 3 ssd . but with extra software.and a licence to use it !

    In the same way makes me wonder did intel deliberately keep ssd caching to the z68 and x79 for "Its mine .. an you cant have any" factor to improve sales .

    Next thing intel will be suing ocz for ripping off their idea

    EDIT 1: well it isnt actually OCZ at all , and these links would lead some credence to the idea that ocz is selling a Vertex 3 60gb , with a 15-20% price bump to include the nvelo dataplex software.
    It also seems you dont actually need a sata 3 ssd or sata 3.0 ports , just that you would only get sata 2 ssd performance from your hdd.

    NVELO Dataplex SSD Caching Software Review - Seven mSATA SSDs Prove An Amazing Concept - The SSD Review

    NVELO Drives Storage Caching to the Masses with Dataplex | StorageReview.com - Storage Reviews

    Blog - Accelerator SSD Cache Drive; Installing the Nvelo Software

    Ok so seems interesting ; Wazza is set already, but maybe the lesser beings can catch up without a board change

    Lets say someone has a oh I dunno

    Say a asrock mbrd with some sata 3.0 and 2 ports and a sata 2.0 60gb ssd

    This dataplex software is only available to ordinary folk atm if they purchase a sata 3 ssd with a licence.

    sooo

    What would be the optimum in the above scenario taking a hdd as performace of 1.2. a sata 2 ssd being performance 2.7 and sata 3 being performance 4.9.

    Buy a ocz 60gb sata3(with dataplex)for about 80 currency units(im talking 's here, do yer own conversions) and

    1.cache your hdd up to near 4.9?
    2.cache your sata 2 ssd and your hdd up to near 4.9(if that can be done)
    3.Use your new sata 3 ssd as a stand alone os disk with a few other progs n files on it and then use the sata2 ssd to cache the hdd to leave it at perf lvl 2.7

    Hard to know.

    nb Converting the 60gb hdd to caching cuts its capacity in half so it is down to 32 gb compared to the normal ssd capacity of about 50 gb on a 60 gb ssd drive.
    Even if you can cache 2 drives that would cut the cache for each down to 15-16gb :(

    I imagine sales of these Seagate Momentus XT 500GB Hybrid SATA-II 2.5" 7200RPM 32MB [ST95005620AS] are goin way down right now, even tho they seemed a good idea on release.

    Something to think on anyway.

    EDIT 2:
    Just a small update surfing around .
    The ocz 64GB ssd SATA 3 (useable by SaTA2)version :
    Good and bad
    1. your ssd cache as mentioned above will be only 32gb(on the 64gb version)
    In other words you will be buying a 32 gb cache only ssd drive for 15-20% more than a "normal" 50-55GB useable space ssd drive.

    2. The software only works on a "1 ssd drive caching 1 windows 7 boot drive basis". However the hdd can be up to 2TB and partitions will be cached also.
    Raid setups will also be cached.

    3.You need windows 7 , but only need an amd or intel setup with sata 2.0.

    4.The performance increase of your Hdd will go up on boot a lot and on applications , but is more dependent on how often you use these applications than a regular ssd setup.

    5.HDD NOISE: Our pc's are like a resonant box. The "jungle drums effect"
    I like others have been running ssd as the main os disc for over a year now.I have the same os on my hdd as on my ssd and can dual boot, if needed.

    If youre used to having a ssd as the "normal" main drive, switching back to a hdd is noisy, you can reduce the noise /vibrations . My newer hdd is quiter but its still audible.
    I havent done any testing as I dont have ssd caching ,but:

    Anecdotal evidence is that with ssd caching of a hdd , of any type leads to more "jungle drums"

    6.WEI index and Atto
    My WEI index is 5.9 on hdd boot drive.
    Ive seen user reports of people being happy with a 6.3 drive performance(all the other indices were 7.5 or above) index on an x 58 system when they were using a ocz synapse dedicated ssd drive as they got a performance index increase.
    This is on a sata 2.0 system and the Atto benchmarks were in the solo ssd region..about 270-280 max read and write .
    Id feel there must have been a lot of "jungle drums " on that also.

    My WeI index using ssd as the boot drive is 7.7(cpu,memory and drive performance are all the same,gx is maxed)

    Taking all the above into account, just for me personally. I dont think Ill bother with ssd caching, whether its srt or some aftermarket job, unless it appears for free . If I go for another ssd I will for sure get an sata 3.0 one..Probably 120GBand use it the same way Im using the SATA 2 60gb one I have now.
    Some of that is I couldnt be bothered reinstalling stuff etc.

    Its funny..well not funny haha , but Wazza's situation is different,even tho his system isnt that different to mine
    He has probably a maxed out WEI index on his HDD rating, all he had to do was get the sata 3, ssd and he has almost full sata 3 hdd performance on his 2TB hdd.He could even go ssd with OS boot drive if he wanted to
    Sheet happens,
    Last edited by kick; 02-10-2012 at 05:16 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Yep, I know, I didn't want to shame you in public by bringing up past sins.
    Right on man, right on!!

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    start ups do feel faster but not as fast as they would be if i installed win7 onto the ssd





    would be good to see someone elses boot up times,heres bootracer program

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    really cool app, didn't know of it prior.

    This is my system, that really really needs a re-install both cause i still run on my async ssd (from testing to find out what hardware cause me trouble a few month back) and i got un-install-able drivers that aint working etc. Windows performance index has dropped to 5.9 on this ssd by now (same as a normal hdd) as its only got 12gb free space (of 60).

    Ssdmeasap-bootracer-png

    my specs are in signature except CPU runs at stock speed of 3.2 and ram at 1333 at the moment.

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    ssd boot and hdd boot same os same system.Ssdmeasap-ssdhdd-jpg
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    djabba i think you just need to save your ssd image and do a secure erase and re-install then it will put it back to 100%,as for my times its not as fast in caching as it would be with os on ssd,windows exp index still rates the drive at 5.9 as i dont think it recognozes caching,but speeds have improved

    kick i thought it used a max of 64gb for ssd caching?
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    Quote Originally Posted by wazza300 View Post

    kick i thought it used a max of 64gb for ssd caching?
    Not sure what you mean there Wazza,

    I dont have any ssd caching atm anyway.
    The above is just my ssd boot time.then the second is using the hdd to boot,(after changing the boot drive in uefi)like I had no ssd at all.

    The "off the shelf" ssd caching from ocz they cut the drive capacity in half for "provisioning" to help the ssd last. 64 gb comes with 32 useablefor caching and nothing else.
    The 128gb one ,dunno probly the same, capacity cut in half so then 64gb for caching.

    I suppose srt or dataplex dont use anymore than 64 gb max anyway?
    Can u specify how much of the ssd to use with srt , or is it automatic?
    edit:
    Oh there is an asrock utility called instant boot Im sure other pc's n bios have similar.
    Its basically a shutdown to ram(not suspend to ram) facility pc looks turned off totally but it isnt , gives a 4 second boot time to desktop from the time you press the power on button on the pc,with either hdd or ssd.

    I tried to cheat and use that for the laff , I woulda told yas afterward honestly! haha, but this bootracer doesnt recognise it as a full boot
    Last edited by kick; 02-10-2012 at 10:18 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kick View Post

    The "off the shelf" ssd caching from ocz they cut the drive capacity in half for "provisioning" to help the ssd last. 64 gb comes with 32 useablefor caching and nothing else.
    The 128gb one ,dunno probly the same, capacity cut in half so then 64gb for caching.
    thats what i got confused by,my board doesnt have instant boot option
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    You guys might like this too, it gives much more info on booting processes and times. There's some images of it's results in my C300 review if you need a better example
    GreenVantage LLC - WinBootInfo

    Also see this script :)
    Boot_time_in_Vista_by_mrkristins.vbs

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    Thanks Lsd. Still in the process on my reinstall on the new SSD. Shaved another 2 secs of "time to login", but "time to desktop" has increased .. prolly cause I still have several security meassures activated and drivers/tools still try to check for updates themself incl windows itself.
    This tool will help me determine (prolly) what causes it :)
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