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    Default Re: Win 7 page file size on SSD used for OS

    OK, if I set the RAM disk size at 2 GB should I still go into the pagefile settings for my C drive and change the current 1024 MB (both boxes) to the No pagefile option? Parsec mentioned in his post that there should only be one pagefile.
    Well, I'm not 100% sure, since I may have removed any pagefile from the PC before I activated the RAM Disk. Check what you have for pagefiles after the reboot. You only need one, so if others exist, get rid of them.
    You guys aren't trying to confuse me again, are you?

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    We wouldn't try and confuse you with the facts!!

    I just installed DataRamDisk (freeware up to 4GB) on my P35-DS3L with 8GB of ram.
    I used the following procedure:
    1. Create 2GB ram disk (X:).
    2. Change the setting on my D: partition to No Paging File, it formerly was 1024MB (min) with 1024MB (max).
    3. Set my ram disk (X:) paging file size to 256MB (min) with 1024MB (max).
    4. Save settings, exit, and reboot for new settings to take effect.

    It's up to you to choose the optimal size for your ram disk based on how much ram is installed in your system.
    4GB will work, but I think that a 2GB or 3GB ram disk will be better.
    If needed, you should be able to change the size of your ram disk later.

    My CDM benchmark for the ram disk:

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    Using Random data, the scores were nearly identical when I repeated the CDM benchmark.
    It looks like I have a half-fast system
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    Thanks profJim for the additional information, just what I needed. Took a look at DataRamDisk and it looks good. I think I'll try the ASRock fastRam utility that came with my board first and then if I don't like it try DataRamDisk. ASR fastRAM has dummy proof settings so I can automatically include my browser caches and the pagefile. Will let you know how that works out.
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    So far, DataRamDisk seems to make my system feel slightly faster.
    I have my FireFox (v3.6.28) browser cache on the ram disk with no problems.
    The only drawback right now is that it takes several minutes for the ram disk image file to be saved to my ssd when I shut down.
    The only reason I'm saving the 2GB image file is to speed up FireFox when it loads from the saved browser cache.
    If I can't fix the shutdown delay I'll stop saving the ram disk and might put my browser cache back on my D: partition.

    parsec's problem with FireFox crashing might be caused by his running version 16.x (beta?).
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    FYI, here's a screen-shot showing my memory usage with my 2GB DataRamDisk:
    • 1st row = total physical memory
    • 2nd row = swapfile size and usage (min - 256MB, max = 1024MB)
    • 3rd row = total memory size and usage
    The bar graphs below the memory usage statisics is the percentage of ram used in each category.

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    I have some catching up to do, and Prof. Jim, or my new nickname for him, PJ (really cute, huh, tee hee...) has picked up the ball I see, nice.

    HCR, OMGawd dude, I am not gawd, or Moses, when I say something it's not written in stone!

    Such as: "Parsec mentioned in his post that there should only be one pagefile." I said you only need one pagefile, I don't know what would happen if you had two or more frankly, nor do I care. I'm nitpicking here, but I just don't want someone to get incorrect information.

    Really the best way to learn things is to do it yourself and see what happens. "Windows will explode if I do..." usually not, and it is fairly idiot proofed at this point, right PJ? For example, for a test, don't remove the pagefile on your C drive before creating it on the RAM Disk. No harm done if you have two (maybe adultery?) afterwards, and then just remove the one on C. See, then you can tell us how that works! Finally, I've run my PC with NO pagefile at all, and had no problems. Some programs must have one apparently, but I never had a problem.

    The true correct size for your RAM Disk is, 3113 Bytes, because... I said so. Well, sca-rew me! Make it whatever size you want to, within reason. PJ is right (occasionally) about using 1/2 of your RAM for the RAM disk is a bit much, at least for a start. Just because you allocate 1GB for the pagefile, for example, does not mean it will all be used. If it gets "full", old stuff is pushed out for new, no problem. If you discover that your favorite applications work so much better using the RAM Disk for... whatever, then make it larger if you need to. If you don't leave enough memory for Windows, etc, you'll know it when things don't work.

    Professor James, Really, that long to save the RAM Disk image? I'm surprised, must be some processing going on. I have never backed mine up, I should try that and see. That is likely why Firefox kept crashing on me when I used the RAM Disk for its cache. FFox still writes to the C drive when using a RAM Disk for its cache, just much less, but the two must be dependent.

    Regarding your RAM Disk benchmark, I thought it would be faster. Given your 8500 (1066?) speed memory, and I believe the one I posted was either 16000 (2000) or 17000 (2133), your result should have been at least half of what mine were, not less. I have a feeling the free version is slowed down a bit, to inspire one to buy it.

    The version of FF I have is official, not a Beta, never use those! They have more updates than MS does for Windows, for some reason.
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    A couple of forum members have referred to me as PJ for quite a while. I think that they have a pajamas (jammys) fixation.
    I've run my system for a short while with no pagefile on the system and windows just creates a temporary pagefile.
    I'm currently running with two pagefiles, one on my boot drive and one on my ram disk drive with no problems.

    DataRamDisk saves and loads a proprietary disk image when you choose to save and load the ram disk's contents.
    With a 2GB ram disk, booting takes 15 seconds longer and it takes 4 minutes to create the ram disk image file when shutting down.
    When I reduced the ram disk to 1GB, it took 2 minutes to create the image file and shut down.
    I don't mind the longer booting time, but the shutdown time is unacceptable.

    I'm now using a 1GB ram disk with a pagefile (256MB - 512MB), have a TEMP folder and my FireFox cache Folder.
    I have an additional pagefile (400MB total) on my ssd boot drive.
    Windows will protest if the pagefile is less than 400MB.
    When shutting down, I first copy my FireFox cache folder to my hard drive and I'm no longer using the ram disk load and save options.
    I'm going to try a test where I don't "save" the cache folder and see what happens when I start FireFox without an existing cache folder.
    FireFox with 50+ tabs loads somewhat faster when the cache folder isn't empty.

    I was surprised with the relatively low ram disk benchmark scores but I'm ignoring it, seeing as how it is still many times faster than my ssd. My memory timings are 876MHz @4-4-4-10 and I doubt that running at 1066MHz with 5-5-5-15 timings would make any difference in how quickly the ram disk image could be saved or loaded.
    Parsec hasn't been a forum member long enough to know that I'm not always right, but I'm never wrong and to compromise and do it my way.
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    Prof. Jim, I'm learning, always learning...

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    Me too!!
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    Hey, ProfJim, just a tip as to speeding up your shut-down times with the RAM-Disk... If you CLEAR your entire RAM-Disk on a fresh boot, then open the browser, go to each of your most-commonly-visited sites and load, at the very least, their homepages, you can then save ONLY THAT ONE TIME on shut-down, move the directory (I can't remember where, though :S), and then reboot (it will save the most commonly visited cache you just did), and then set it to "load on boot" but DO NOT set it to "save on shut-down".

    This way you get the cached speed benefits of your most-commonly-used sites, you'll still have a ton of space to cache whatever random browsing you do in-between boots, but no more 4-minute shut-downs! You're boots should get quicker as well, as the RAM-disk only should have to load between 50-500MB of total data!

    Hope that helps!
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