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    Default Re: Lookin to buy my very first SSD (budget)

    Oh no, so the speed is going to be completely slower than a regular SSD because of the SATA 2 controller .
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    With sata2 limits, your maximum MB/s will be lower.
    Others have said that the difference in real world performance between sata2 and sata3 would be about 7% - 10%.
    This screen-shot shows my Samsung 830 128GB results when it was 80% full on my sata2 system when I temporarily added 25GB of files.
    A similar 256GB ssd should have slightly better results.

    note: The O/S partition is 100GB and I have set aside 20GB for over provisioning. The Samsung Magician software default OP is 11.9GB.
    I'm now using an 80GB O/S partition with 40GB set aside (i.e. unallocated space) for over provisioning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sirken View Post
    Hey parsec thanks for your input. So youre saying that the samsung 840 non pro 120g "lag" only exists in benchmarks/tests? Really on the brink at buying an ssd. Personally I have not really experienced an ssd in day to day use (only in stores i have tried it and wow, its fast). Is the pro worth it for my intended purpose? (Boot drive and maybe a game like WoW). Ive been on several forums and some are saying to avoid the regular 840 and spend the extra on the pro. I guess its really up to me in the end. This lag thing that these reviews talk about has had me worried about buying the 840 non pro. Right now I can get an 840 120g for about 79.99 so yeah (Its taunting me into buying it!)
    I missed your questions in your reply.
    Check out the conclusion page in HARDOCP - Conclusion - Samsung 840 120GB SSD Review where they express several concerns with the Samsung 840 120GB standard model and conclude with:
    The Bottom Line

    While we continue to recommend higher capacity Samsung TLC Model 840 SSDs, the TLC-equipped 120GB 840 Series SSD is simply not a good option for consumers. 3.5 to 4 years of projected light use is an endurance concern that users would be advised to watch closely if they were to purchase this SSD. Slow write speeds across the board in tandem with poor read and write maximum latency performance should overcome any temptation for saving a few bucks with this value SSD.

    The read speed of the 120GB Samsung 840 SSD also fell tremendously when we tested in steady state conditions. This removes the one advantage that the product has, making it more suited for sitting on the shelf than setting in your computer.

    Users looking for a 120GB or less capacity SSD should stick with MLC products.
    As I recall, the lag was intermittent and random in the 120GB model and not an issue in the 240GB standard model. HardOCP really liked the larger standard models and the PRO models.
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    I've never seen the 120GB 840 reviewed before, and I was forgetting that TLC NAND can have write performance issues in smaller capacity SSDs. More specifically, that is probably due to the SSD needing to clean itself up before writing new data. That is why a 60GB 840 model does not exist. Some of the testing done in SSD reviews can be more extreme than will ever happen in typical real world use, although that type of testing can reveal weaknesses in a SSD. Relative to other SSDs, that seems to be the case with the 120GB 840.

    Yes, ~$80 for a 120GB 840 is tempting, but it is always better to get a larger capacity SSD. I now regret purchasing some of the small capacity SSDs I bought about 1.5 - 2 years ago, although all SSDs were twice the current price or more at that time.

    There are some very nice mSATA SSDs available now, but since you do have a good Intel board with standard SATA III ports, you should use them. Few if any desktop boards have SATA III mSATA connections.

    The difference in performance between using SATA II and SATA III connections with a SATA III SSD is not a simple comparison, it also depends on the SSD's basic performance attributes, the mother board, and what kind of I/O is being done. I know boot time is faster with a SATA III interface, but the difference is only several seconds. If all we did was read and write multi-megabyte files, then we would notice the speed difference between SATA II and SATA III.

    First time SSD users fret to much over performance specs, but the reality is any decent SSD leaves a HDD far behind. This is a benchmark of the same size Samsung 830 as Prof. Jim's test on SATA II, but on SATA III. Also, a Seagate Barracuda 1TB 7200 RPM HDD for comparison. The HDD was virtually empty at the time of the test, so that should show the best performance that HDD can provide.

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    ^^+1^^ Excellent post!

    The 250GB 840 standard model looks like it is an excellent value.
    The 128GB 840 Pro model offers all around solid performance.
    There is a 30 - 40% price premium for the Pro models compared with the Samsung's standard models.
    You probably will not notice any better performance with the 128GB Pro model compared with the 250GB standard model.

    My personal opinion is that the 120GB 840 standard model is OK for a first time ssd buyer who is looking to upgrade an older system's performance and they need to spend as little as possible for an ssd upgrade.

    There is a lot of FUD (fear, uncertainty and doubt) about TLC Nand on the web.
    TLC Nand will probably be OK for moderate to light mainstream usage.
    I'll probably move my 128GB Samsung 830 over to my Haswell system initially and might later install a 256GB 840 Pro.
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    So I went ahead and bought an 128g 840 pro. Lucky me I had points saved up from Best Buy so I got a pretty good discount off of it. Now that I have installed it. I was wondering if its ok for the SSD to be reformatted by not using the Magician Software? I kind of went ahead and copied my old hdd to try out the sdd (Ridiculous speeds). I now want to do a fresh install of windows. I tried the Samsung Magician Performance benchmark and its not hitting the advertised sequential write speed and the random write IOPS. Should I be concerned by this? Here is a picture:

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    Any tips for a first time SSD user? Thanks again for the replies!
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    Don't worry, be happy.
    From the Samsung website:
    Sequential Read Speed--- Up to 530MB/s
    Sequential Write Speed--- Up to 390MB/s
    Random Read Speed ----- Up to 97K IOPS
    Random Write Speed ----- Up to 90K IOPS

    When you install the operating system, your SSD should be the only drive attached to your system, but it's OK for an optical drive to be connected. When I installed win7, my ssd had a single partition that used all available space and the partition was aligned on a 4K boundary for maximum performance. Doing it this way will simplify backing up your O/S partition because the hidden recovery partition will be part of your boot partition as a hidden, inaccessible folder. After you have installed your O/S, you can use the Magician software to shrink your partition to provide the over-provisioning area.

    You should reinitialize your ssd before you do a fresh install.
    You can't do this to your ssd while it is the boot drive and you are in windows.
    Your ssd should be a secondary drive on a system when you initialize your ssd and then create a single 4K aligned partition.
    Using Magician to initialize your ssd is the easiest way to go.

    You can use Diskpart to "clean" your ssd when you boot from a windows installation or repair DVD, but you must be sure to select the correct drive. If you select the wrong drive, you will erase everything that is on the "wrong" drive!!
    Check out Z68XP-UD3 Stuck at "Loading Operating System", post #14 for Diskpart instructions.
    The bottom of the post has a simplified list of Diskpart commands, but you must be sure to select the correct drive if more than one drive is installed.

    Free Partition Manager - AOMEI Partition Assistant Standard is an excellent freeware partition manager where you can create a bootable Linux or winPE CD.

    Any questions?
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    you can also install the latest intel rapid storage drivers,the will improve things slightly over the standard Microsoft drivers,
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    Connecting your Samsung ssd as an additional drive in another computer is the easiest way to go to have Magician initialize (clean) it and create a primary active partition. Once you've installed the O/S on the Samsung, you can use Magician to shrink the size of your boot partition to provide over provisioning space.
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    Quote Originally Posted by profJim View Post
    Connecting your Samsung ssd as an additional drive in another computer is the easiest way to go to have Magician initialize (clean) it and create a primary active partition. Once you've installed the O/S on the Samsung, you can use Magician to shrink the size of your boot partition to provide over provisioning space.
    Ok I will go and try to use my friends PC to clean my SSD. After I have cleaned the SSD with the software, I can just go on and run the regular windows installation, right? (Insert w7 disc and just set it up). I have to admit idk what to do when the windows 7 installation asks to format/partition the drive. Do I just click default and go on with it? and Thank you very much for helping me Jim!
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