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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista K6
    So, we either gotta wait till the market takes a little lull and buy like hell
    That would actually be a bad thing as prrices would also lull and we'd have only a few choices over a long period of time that remained at certain prices, rather than new products that quickly lower the price of semi-new product.

    Guys, ATi and nVidia consistently put out 200$US cards that offer the best performance to cost ratio. Upgrading at rather quick 6mon would still only set you back 400$US a year, which isnt even the price of the new badass. I vote for consistency. Besides, even upgrading once a year is ok.

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    Mista K6: ATI and Nvidia are so big now that even if they did run into financial difficulty, a larger corporation would buy them out, Intel or IBM for example. Just imagine the patents each company must own. With regards to cost, that wouldn't change because price is driven by market conditions and not competition between the two. The average cost for a Nvidia/ATI GPU is just under $20.00, obviously at the begining of its life it is much higher and sells in small quantities. But as it is slowly replaced, it moves from being an enthusiast chip, to a mainstream chip and then eventually a value chip where it sells for even less but in far greater quanities. With regards to upgrading, I change my motherboard, memory and CPU every 18 months, my monitor, graphics card, soundcard and PSU every 36 months. My mouse and keyboard are changed every 12 to 18 months. Printer and scanner as and when necessary.

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    JediAgent: Actually, I've been watching the market for awhile (say 8 months?) and hardware prices just decline slowly, newer products really dont drop the price of older hardware as much as you'd expect. Also, that lull was more in reference to a time when technology isnt upgrading. Like, right now 64 bit processing, PCI-Express, etc is coming out. However, like, Feb 2004 once all that is out, no new tech is gonna be coming out for the most part, they're just going to update and use these new hardware revolutions and make better mobos/CPU's, etc.

    Weta: I'll have to disagree, although you make a very valid point. Marketing is very heavily based on competition, and another great part of it is supply and demand. It's not a coincidence that each of ati's cards has a nVidia counterpart that are in the same price range. Simply put, each category (value/mainstream/enthusiast) has a certain portion of the market, and both companies are going to compete for control of it. Competition creates the market conditions. Example: 5900 debuts at $500, Ati drops the price on the previous released 9800 to get people to see less $$ instead of higher performance. Therfore, the new tech, created because of competition for the highest performing card on the market, also drives the market conditions. There are many more examples you can see of this. Although I agree that another company could buy out the dying company, the competition would start up again. My comment about a monopoly was refering to a Microsoft like situation where one company almost completely OWNS the market with no major competitors in sight (like Microsoft almost owns the OS market for PC users, with the exception of the few linux users). Anyways, I dont want to go into an entire economics lesson on it :rolleyes2 , but you can see what I mean (post specific questions if you dont :thumb:). Finally, I like your system of upgrading weta, but of course that depends on market trends, right? I mean, if the 18 months is up now, wouldnt one wanna wait till 64 bit processing was out? Still, lovely intellectual discussion we have going on here :thumb: . Thx, : peace2: Mista K6
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    Mista K6: I was talking about graphics processors, you're talking about graphics boards. This is not the same, and when I've got some time I'll explain why.

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    <center><img src="http://images.tweaktown.com/news/news_ati-alcatraz.jpg">

    ATI's Radeon 9800 XT, Half Life 2 bundle to be launched on Alcatraz
    On the 30th September</center>

    ATI's long awaited card that is expected to take the performance lead in the increasingly bitter graphics battle, is to be launched in Alcatraz, the former prison just a wave away from freedom-loving city San Francisco.
    The cards are close to being finalised, with ATI boffins hoping the clock speeds will be a little less than 415MHz for the core, and 730MHz for the memory.

    We're not certain that these are the final numbers, but you probably already know that the 30th is also the day when Valve will introduce its highly anticipated Half Life 2 with its now famous benchmarks.

    As we said previously, all Radeon 9800XT cards will be shipped with this game and this is likely to cost ATI some serious money -- some are suggesting as much as $8 million, although we still wait to get solid proof about the Nvidia-ATI auction.

    The card will cost $399 and will be in the shops two to three weeks after the Alcatraz announcement in serious quantities.

    The European launch party will take place in Munich - not so exotic as Alcatraz -- but the place where ATI has its nice offices and as far as we know there will be no Paris and London based parallel events.

    As we've said elsewhere, the interesting thing here is whether there was or was not an auction to bundle Half Life 2 with ATI or Nvidia.....

    The Inquirer
    <center>ATI Radeon Half-Life 2 teaser</center>

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    Other ATI related news

    The 9800SE and 9800XT lines are starting to hit store shelves at certain vendors. Unfortunately, a lot of information is still under NDA, but you can assure yourselves we will have more to come!

    AnandTech

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    The 9800SE is an underclocked 9800np with only 4 pipelines. I don't know why they would even make that.

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    because not everyone can afford the latest and greatest but still want to upgrade... it's as simple as that.
    I've gone too far and need to move on!

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    Quote Originally Posted by minibubba
    because not everyone can afford the latest and greatest but still want to upgrade... it's as simple as that.
    :thumb: us poor people can't have the $$ to stay up with the tech.
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    Since its underclocked and with only 4 pipelines, a 9600 Pro overclocked should be able to keep up with it. That's a $150 card....

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