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    Well stated Soppa, and welcome to TweakTown :cheers:
    I agree that it's a waste to have a powerful video card without the system to back it up. It just makes you unhappy with the card...and the signifigant amount of cash you're out now...
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    What I am concerned about is the misconception that p4 is faster than pIII. When in fact, the p4 needs about 300-400mhz higher clockspeed just to be even with a pIII with sdram. Most people have this misconception, but in the real world, it is just not true. So saying "of course a more powerful card is in order" for a p4 1.7-1.8 and saying "Even if it was a PIII 1400MHz, it wouldn't justify anything faster than a Ti4200 IMO." are both very misleading and backwards statements. When in fact the pIII 1.4 performs better with the same gfx card than a p4 1.8. And what's wrong with a 11k 3d '01 score anyway?
    When I first asked the question about the p4, I already knew what the response would be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus7001
    What I am concerned about is the misconception that p4 is faster than pIII. When in fact, the p4 needs about 300-400mhz higher clockspeed just to be even with a pIII with sdram.

    When I first asked the question about the p4, I already knew what the response would be.
    Nice, you set up a trap for me, and at the same time conveniently forgot about what this post was all about, well good for you. I haven't toyed around much with pentiums so naturally I also had this misconception. But that still doesn't change the fact that a really powerful video card for his machine (which BTW likely is something much less powerful as the suggested P3 1400MHz), would be an overkill. I gave him sound advice, and what you succeeded in doing was to make me look stupid, which I assume was your intention in the first place. I already had forgotten why I don't frequent these forums. Thanks for the reminder again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wordbiker
    Well stated Soppa, and welcome to TweakTown :cheers:
    I agree that it's a waste to have a powerful video card without the system to back it up. It just makes you unhappy with the card...and the signifigant amount of cash you're out now...
    Thanks for making me feel welcome and :cheers: to you too. Although I fear that I won't become even a regular member anytime soon ;). Well I don't mind the newbie status.

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    I in no way intended to insult you, it's just that I see people with pIII's being told that they need to upgrade to enjoy the "newest fastest gfx cards" and being told that their cpu is totally slow compared to p4's like the ones I mentioned and being tricked usually by a store into a $1000(example)downgrade (I have seen this practice lots before, heck they even try it on me) and sure a pIII 450 is pathetic compared to modern standards and would warrant such an upgrade to get any reasonable use from something like a r9700 or r9800series but that is absolute worst case scenario. Basically I would consider a pIII above 1000mhz to still be worthy for any gfx card on the market now. It only makes sense to upgrade gfx first whenever possable, if it was the last step in upgrading, that p4 3.2 would really suck with a tnt and be unbearable until the new gfx card(example).

    There are many misconceptions with computers and most are caused by misleading marketing tactics and down right lies to sell some things. Look at the 4x/8x agp issue, I have sat there and listened to many salesmen lie to a customers and say it will perform twice as fast as their old 4x version of the same card claiming a 100% increase(they still get away with this). How many people ran out and bought a new mobo and 8x version of their old card to get this suposed 100% increase in gfx performance. I can think of about 5 people that did just that.:cheers:
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    Quote Originally Posted by maximus7001
    I in no way intended to insult you, it's just that I see people with pIII's being told that they need to upgrade to enjoy the "newest fastest gfx cards"

    There are many misconceptions with computers and most are caused by misleading marketing tactics and down right lies to sell some things. Look at the 4x/8x agp issue, I have sat there and listened to many salesmen lie to a customers and say it will perform twice as fast as their old 4x version of the same card claiming a 100% increase. How many people ran out and bought a new mobo and 8x version of their old card to get this suposed 100% increase in gfx performance. I can think of about 5 people that did just that.
    Yeah, well I'm sorry if I got pissed. It's not the argument itself, but the way you presented it, you could've downright corrected instead of asking me a question you knew I would probably answer incorrectly. I've just grown tired of internet forums besserwissers who seem to enjoy humiliating people instead of acting politely, helping each other, like people try to do in real life on a day-to-day basis.

    However I must admit that I may have judged you too soon, considering this reply is coherent and civilized, and I agree with you 100%. It's really bothering to see that computer salesmen these days (maybe always?) seem to trick unwary customers by any means just to sell their products, taking advantage of the fact that probably most of the people that use (and buy) computers, don't know much about the technical side. And as much should be blamed all the companies with their vague naming schemes, Geforce4MX springs first to mind, which actually is nothing but an overclocked geforce 2. There are countless examples like this and what's bothering me even more are the biased reviews on some major HW sites. It really is saddening these days that customer should know everything about what (s)he's buying in order to not get tricked. And btw, the AGP8x is actually also a great example, as soon it came available we saw a lot of "new" 8x cards, which compared to their 4x counterparts offered <1% performance gains (even while the bandwidth is theoretically doubled), but probably were sold to people in the way you described. OTOH, considering the quality of computer salesmen these days, maybe he really believed in what he said! ;)

    Soppa

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    There's quite a bit of speculation goin' on here that's not really necessary so how about waitin' to see whether vrex gets back with some proper hardware details and then we'll go from there. : omg:

    And I do mean wait until vren gets back with his full spec's.

    maybe I should start a list of ppl who can't READ :?:

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