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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    Thanks, I'll give it a try.
    MSI AfterBurner (based on RivaTuner) hardware monitoring offers similar gpu graphing features, but doesn't include cpu/system info.
    I'll also look into Nvidia Inspector to see what it offers.

    One area that I want to explore is video encoding benchmarks.
    I haven't run x264 benchmarks with my Hawk card yet. I'll check to see if there are other encoding benchmarks available.

    I'll see if AIDA freeware isn't too feature crippled.
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    Hmm rencently i upgraded mycard to zotac GTX560Ti OC, prof jim ^_^ so i cannot support info about MSI GTX460 Hawk anymore... but i can do give info abit from GTX560Ti, such as for my reference stock clock zotac GTX560Ti OC at 850/2005 produces 18.500 gpu score in vantage and for my ex.GTX460 hawk to achieve same gpu score in vantage has to overclocked to 950/2200.

    Now daily i use my zotac at 900/2100 without adding volt and got gpu score 19.600 for myrig.... but the stuttering at the end of graphic test 1 in vantage still exist same like i use hawk, i wonder how nvidia would work this issue?
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    I just did a quick google search using: video card stuttering fix, this might help point you in the right direction.

    From what I've read and seen in reviews and forums, there is no quick and easy answer. It's possible that future software driver releases will help with stuttering and other issues.

    My approach would be to start at stock settings for gpu and memory and work my way higher, starting with only increasing one at a time, gpu or memory, but not both. I think that voltage and temperature monitoring during the tests might help to narrow down the problem. An infrared digital thermometer (about $15 - $40 USD) might help.

    A question that might interest others; Is the 25% price premium of the GTX560Ti worthwhile for intermediate gamiing?

    I think that you should have waited a bit longer and bought the upcoming Introduction - AMD Radeon HD 6990 "Antilles" Sneek Peek | [H]ard|OCP

    Good luck trying to fit a 13 - 14 inch long video card in your computer case
    Good luck with your new 560Ti

    ***EDIT*** Just a thought, try running your cpu and ram at stock settings and see if this makes any difference with your video card's stuttering at stock and/or overclocked gpu settings.
    Feel free to post your 560Ti benchmark results here. It will be a useful comparison that might help others decide if they want to spend about $50 (USD) more for the 560Ti versus the higher end GTX460 cards. Who knows, maybe Darkje will get over his DXX11 envy and move up to the enhanced video quality with newer DX11 games.
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    Why is it that everything looks easier than it really is?
    I've got all the dimensions noted, but installing VRM heatsinks will take a bit if do-it-yourself heatsink modding.
    Pictures of the Hawk card with "problem areas" highlighted and some possible solutions will be posted during the next couple of days. Final heatsink selection is still undecided.

    Three Sandra GPU tests at 780, 850 and 900MHz have been completed, where all six Sandra benchmarks were run at each setting. Each Sandra six-test report is 169K, so I need to drastically edit the reports to show the major benchmark highlights in a brief format.

    The following tests were run at each setting:

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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    Don't even think of removing the Hawk's small Phillips screws unless you have a high quality #2 Phillips screwdriver.
    • PCB surface to Heatsink lower edge -- rear: 4.4 mm (I/O panel), front: 11 mm (over the VRM chips)
    • VRAM and VRM chipset height: 1 mm (approximate, most but not all)
    • doohickey** height = 1.3 - 1.4 (approximate)
    • choke height: 9.6 mm
    • VRM chipset dimensions: 5x6 mm and 4x5 mm, per "pair": 12 mm (front to back) and 15 mm (top to bottom).

    VRM chipset, 6 pairs overall length: 53 mm
    Note: 3 pairs X 15mm = 45 mm; plus 8 mm total between all 3 pairs. confused?

    Overall card length = 238 mm
    PCB (only) length = 222 mm
    PCB height = 113 mm and 100 mm

    ** The "doohickey" components in the red and pink boxes are all taller than than the height of the VRM chips.
    The components in the orange boxes are very close to the height of the VRM chips.
    The components in the green boxes are not as tall as the VRM chips.

    The following is from the Enzotech installation instructions for their forged copper heatsinks:
    Caution <!>
    The following situations can result in the RAM sink falling off the BGA chipset
    -surface of the BGA module is not big enough (BGA module must be at least 14 mm X 14 mm)
    ....
    I assume for now that the module must be at least 6.5 X 6.5 mm for the MOS-C1 kit.
    Check out http://www.enzotechnology.com/manuals/bmr_c1.pdf

    I'll contact Enzotech support later today to see if their 6.5 X 6.5 X 12 mm MOS-C1 or 14 X 14 X 9 mm BCC9 heatsink kits will work with the small size of the Hawk's VRM chips; i.e. their heatsinks won't fall off. Both of these options will require some modifications to work with the Hawk N460GTX video card.

    There are several other possible solutions, but each of these have their own plusses and minuses.
    More details to follow, including some close up macro photos that show the problem with the too tall doohickeys.

    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results-edit-img_1793-vrm-top-view-09-jpg
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

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    Next post: Possible VRM heatsink solutions using different kits.
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    MSI N460GTX Hawk VRM Heatsink Options:
    • Thermal adhesive is permanent and heatsinks probably can't be removed removed without damaging your video card.
    • Thermal tape is removable, but can only be used one time. Proper cleaning of the top of each VRM chip and the bottom of the heatsink's base is required to prevent the heatsink from falling off.

    Enzotech MOS-C1 heatsink kit (10 peices) about $14.00 (USD) per kit
    Enzotech MOS-C1 MOSFET Heatsinks - 10 Pack - FrozenCPU.com
    • Dimensions: 6.5 x 6.5 x 12 mm (L x W x H)
    • Material: C1100 Forged Copper
    • Weight: 2g (each)
    • Thermal Adhesive: 3M 8815 Thermal Tape
    • Intallation: One heatsink for each VRM chip.

    Disadvantages:
    1) Height is too tall, maximum clearence is about 9mm above the VRM chips.
    2) Each heatsink is slightly bigger than the VRM chips and the thermal tape might not prevent the heatsink from falling off.

    Enzotech BCC9 Memory Ramsinks - 8 Pack (BMR-C1L) about $17.00 (USD) per kit
    Enzotech BCC9 Memory Ramsinks - 8 Pack (BMR-C1L) - FrozenCPU.com
    • Dimensions: 14 x 14 x 9 mm (L x W x H)
    • Material: C1100 Forged Copper
    • Weight: 5g (each)
    • Thermal Adhesive: 3M 8815 Thermal Tape
    • Intallation: One heatsink per 4 VRM chips.

    Disadvantages:
    1) Each heatsink can cool 4 VRM chips, but the base of each heatsink will need to be modified so that it doesn't touch the nearby PCB components that are taller than the VRM chips.
    2) The contact area of the top of each set of 2x2 VRM chips might not be sufficient to prevent the heatsink from falling off.

    Swiftech MC21 Aluminum MOSFET Heatsinks - 4 pack, about $10.00 (USD) per kit
    MC21 Mosfet Heatsinks
    Swiftech - SMC & VGA Heatsinks
    Swiftech MC21 Aluminum MOSFET Heatsinks - 4 pack - FrozenCPU.com
    • Material: black anodized aluminum
    • Dimensions (Metric): 21mm (L) x 6mm (W) x 10mm (H)
    • ____________________.825" (L) x .236 (W) x .393" (H)
    • Weight: 0.1 oz (2.8 g)
    • Installation: high thermal conductivity peel-off tape

    Disadvantages:
    1) 10 mm heatsink height will need to be shortened to 9 mm height.
    2) Not a copper heatsink.
    3) Depending on installed direction of each heatsink, the heatsink's base will need to be modified so that it doesn't touch the nearby PCB components that are taller than the VRM chips.
    4) The length of the some heatsinks will need to be shortened in some cases, depending on how each heatsink is oriented.
    5) Thermal tape type/brand is not specified.

    VIZO VIZO-CPS-22 Pure Copper Sleet Chipset Cooler - (8-pack) about $14.00 (USD)
    Newegg.com - VIZO VIZO-CPS-22 Pure Copper Sleet Chipset Cooler
    Vizo Technology Corp
    FEATURES
    • High conductivity thermal pad
    • One-piece copper structure for superior heat conductivity
    • Higher fin ratio and thinner fin thickness to speed up thermal dissipation
    • Dissipate BGA/RAM chipset heat improving its graphic performance

    # CPS-22 pure copper (8-pack), Dimension : Base: 22mm x 10mm, Height: 9mm
    or
    # CPS-12 pure copper (8-pack), Dimension : Base: 12mm x 10mm, Height: 9mm
    Disadvantages:
    1) Base size is not optimal with the Hawk's small VRM chips.
    2) Depending on installed direction of each heatsink, the heatsink's base will need to be modified so that it doesn't touch the nearby PCB components that are taller than the VRM chips.
    3) Thermal tape type/brand is not specified.

    Microcool Black MicroSink 99 cents each or 10/$7.50 (USD)
    Microcool Black MicroSink
    Specifications:
    • Dimensions: 8.5 (L) x 8.5 (W) x8 (H) mm
    • Material: Extruded Aluminum 6063
    • Coating: Anodized Aluminum
    • Adhesive: Chomerics T405 Thermal Interface Pad
    • Weight: 1 gram

    Disadvantages:
    1) 8.5x8.5mm base size is not optimal with the Hawk's small VRM chips.
    2) Chomerics T405 Thermal pads use an aluminum base material that might cause problems with nearby components that are "too tall".
    3) Not a copper heatsink.
    4) Depending on installed direction of each heatsink, the heatsink's base will need to be modified so that it doesn't touch the nearby PCB components that are taller than the VRM chips.

    D.I.Y (Do It Yourself) used heatsink option, for the ultimate approach for a custom installation.

    If needed, 3M Thermal tape can be bought from:
    3M™ 8815 Thermally Conductive Adhesive Transfer Tape - 2" x 2" - FrozenCPU.com - $2.50 (USD)

    Most of these kits can be bought from Newegg, FrozenCPU and SideWinderComputers.

    I'll contact Enzotech support this weekend to see what they have to say about either of their products possibly falling off of the Hawk's "too small" VRM chips.

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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    The email server for Enzotech tech support refused my detailed email query apparently because "you do not have authorization". I sent them a brief message from their website asking them to contact me via email so that I could best explain the possible issues with their heatsinks. They didn't respond so I'm through with their BS.

    After researching the pros and cons of copper versus aluminum, I've decided to go with aluminum heatsinks primarily because copper heatsinks are considerably heavier. Copper has around twice the thermal conductivity of aluminium, but is three times as heavy as aluminium. Check out Heat sink - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia.

    I'm ordering the gold and silver mosfet heatsinks from BestByte.net BestByte.net - Discount Computer Hardware & Reliable Service: Memory Cooler for initial testing. I'm also ordering the Double Sided Thermal Tape, Sekisui #5760, 1x6in Strip BestByte.net - Discount Computer Hardware & Reliable Service: Thermal Compounds & Adhesives.

    Follow up testing will use the Thermaltake Copper BGA Cooler 8-pack kit Thermaltake Copper BGA Cooler at Xoxide!. This kit has been discontinued, but is still available from some vendors. Each heatsink weighs 10 grams, which is twice as heavy as the Enzotech BCC9 heatsinks that use circular cooling pins. My plan is to heavily slice and dice the Thermaltake kit to 6 x 12mm dimensions to reduce weight.

    The attached picture shows several possible heatsink mounting options. If a 14 x 14mm heatink setup is used, one or more shallow groves or relief areas will need to be carved into the bottom of the heatsink's base to clear nearby components that are taller than the height of the VRM chips. If the heatsinks come with pre-applied thermal tape, you might need to replace the original thermal tape after you have completed cutting or modifying the base of the heatsink. There are two examples of where you might want to cut a heatsink for smaller individual pieces.

    Another option is to check with a local PC recycler and see if they have any used north bridge heatsinks.

    A 10mm tall heatsink might fit under the bottom edge of the Hawk's cooling fins, and this might help to hold the VRM heatsinks more securely.

    I couldn't find any USA vendors for the 10 x 12mm Vizo heatsinks.

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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    Yup i noticed my ex. hawk 460 thre were a tiny components that more tall then mosfet for VRM so applying directly heatsink all over VRM with thermal tape would be problem the only thing that could solve are exatcly like your posting above profjim :) need to find same size for each mosfet..... or u could use thermal pad since its form will adjust with different components tall then u can use heatsink all the way for VRM/mosfet.... but it needs a clip or attachment to press heatsink over the thermal pad, and thats would be another problem.
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    Default Re: MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) Overclocking Results

    The three VRM heatsink kits should arrive by Wednesday or Thursday next week (March 30 or 31).

    I've decided not to go with the Thermaltake Copper BGA heatsinks due to limited availability (they have been discontinued) and they are significantly heavier than the Enzotech heatsinks.

    BCC9--- 14 x 14mm base, overall height = -9mm, weight = 5 grams each
    BMR-C1-14 x 14mm base, overall height = 14mm, weight = 7 grams each

    I ordered their BMR-C1 heatsinks and they are now back in stock at Newegg.
    My goal is to lower the height of all of the cooling pins so that they almost touch the bottom of the Hawk's large GPU cooling fins. All Enzotech VRM heatsinks include 3M 8815 thermal tape which is 15 mils thick; 15/1000ths of an inch (0.015"). Note; 1mm = 0.039 inches.

    The Hawk has excellent GPU cooling, but the very flat bottom of the GPU's cooling assembly has rough machined surface marks where it contacts the GPU's top surface. I'll repeat some of my benchmark/stress tests to see if lapping helps with lowering GPU temperatures.

    I have a small, hand-held rotary grinding tool, so modifying the VRM heatsink's height and cutting grooves or relief areas in the bottom of the VRM heatsink's base shouldn't take too much time.

    I was going to ignore Neoroy's comments because he no longer has a Gigabyte motherboard, and he got rid of his MSI Hawk for a Zotac GTX 560 Ti video card. Actually he's a good guy, so we'll cut him some slack.
    He is correct that something similar to the small Enzotech MOS-C1 heasinks will avoid the problem with the too tall components next to each VRM chip, but this approach has several problems:
    • Each heatsink weighs 2 grams and the base is larger than the VRM chips. The small surface area of the VRM chips might not large enough to securely hold the heatsink to the chip. If the included 3M heat tape keeps the heatsink attached, no problem. If the heatsink falls off, then the only options are too use permanent thermal adhesive, or use thermal pads where we would have to somehow physically secure each heatsink to the printed circuit board.
    • There are 19 total chips that can be cooled, so you would need to buy 2 of the MOS-C1 kits (about $25 for both kits) or you could slice and dice five Enzotech 14 x 14mm heatsinks, where each one will give us four 2 x 2-pin heatsinks. If the large heatsinks come with pre-applied thermal tape, we would probably need to apply new heat tape pieces to each of the modified pieces.
    • Using thermal pads instead of thermal tape might result in much less heat transfer from the VRM chip to the heatsink.


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    FWIW, I found a high resolution photo of Neoroy's Zotach GTX 560 Ti pcb and it looks like his card doesn't have any nearby components that will interfere with using heatsinks with a large bases.
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