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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    Here are several OCCT v3.1.0 tests comparing the system load reported by APC PowerChute software and the Zalman ZM-MFC2 watt meter using the Antec TP-750 TruePower New psui:

    OCCT Test___APC__ZM-MFC2
    CPU (medium) 139W___143W
    Linpack 90%__153W___158W
    Power Supply_288W___304W (1024x768 with GPU=780MHz and Memory=3600MHz (QDR)
    Power Supply_355W___375W (1024x768 with GPU=920MHz and Memory=4200MHz (QDR)

    When the overclocked 920/4200 test completed, the Hawk video card automatically underclocked to the normal 51MHz gpu core frequency and 135MHz gpu memory settings. The system power load also returned to the normal 103 watts at idle, even with the Hawk's higher overclocked voltage settings.

    Hey, are we having any fun yet?
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    Check out MSI N560GTX-Ti Hawk Video Card Review | [H]ard|OCP, where the MSI 560Ti Hawk battles the AMD Radeon HD 6950....
    there's a big price difference between them..... and the winner is.....
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    I finally brought up PowerChute on the Q9550 system to compare the reported software watt usage to the watt usage shown on the UPS display. Since my last posting I removed one of the WD Black 640 GB drives so the wattage usage dropped by ~7 watts. Anyway, the software showed ~95 watts usage @ idle and the UPS hardware reported ~100 watts usage @ idle. So, a lot less scientific than your analysis but I agree the software understates the amount of power being used.

    I saw where NewEgg had a special on a 6950 a few days after I bought the 560. The 6950 was $20-30 dollars cheaper as I recall. However, based on the review you pointed out and all the others I read before buying I'm happy with the card I got.

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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    I agree, your 560 Ti is a winner.
    As they said in the article, AMD has been very aggressive with price cuts, and it looks like AMD is trying to prevent a repeat of last summer when the GTX 460 cards really took hold of that segment of the market. When I buy new components, I never look back and think about what if I'd just waited a bit longer before buying. I originally wanted a 5770 card for about $120 dollars last fall, and finally rationalized that a 1GB GTX 460 would be just enough overkill to keep me happy for at least 3 - 4 years, especially since I don't do any computer gaming.

    Are you sure that you have all 4 Q9550 cores enabled?
    It looks like the APC PowerChute software is in the ballpark when it comes to reporting power usage.

    My system has 7 case fans running at ~ 3/4 speed plus my Balder cpu fan runs at 1900 rpm, so my fans are probably using at least 20 -25 (or more) watts.

    Newegg price changes can drive you crazy at times, but I like to think that I win more than I loose. Today I ordered a 2 x 2GB set of Kingston HyperX T1 1066 DDR2 memory from Newegg; with their 15% discount, free shipping and $20 mail in rebate, the final cost will be $42 for the set. We win some and we lose some.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    Now you got me going again. How do I know if all the cores are running?!
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    In the bios, go to Advanced BIOS Features and look at the CPU Multi-Threading setting where:
    Enabled = All cpu cores are enabled
    Disabled = Only one core is enabled

    Page 49 in my rev 1.0 mobo manual shows the bios screen and page 50 has the explanation.

    Really, I was only kidding.
    I still have trouble believing that an overclocked Q9550 system with 12MB of L2 cache would idle at ~ 100 watts.
    Last edited by profJim; 04-27-2011 at 09:35 PM.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    My MB manual talks about "CPU Multi-Threading" on page 52. However, it ain't in the version of the BIOS I have installed?!! Your are doing it to me again. Task Manager under the Performance Tab shows activity on all four cores so hopefully he knows what is going on!

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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    You might need to press CTRL+F1 at the main bios screen in order to show all "hidden" bios settings in some bios sub menus.
    Don't worry, be happy; your system is firing on all 4 cylinders.
    Q9650 @ 4.10GHz [9x456MHz]
    P35-DS4 [rev: 2.0] ~ Bios: F14
    4x2GB OCZ Reaper PC2-8500 1094MHz @5-5-5-15
    MSI N460GTX Hawk Talon Attack (1GB) video card <---- SLI ---->
    Seasonic SS-660XP2 80 Plus Platinum psu (660w)
    WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data)
    Samsung 840 Pro 256GB SSD (boot)
    SLI @ 16/4 works when running HyperSLI
    Cooler Master 120XL Seidon push/pull AIO cpu water cooling
    Cooler Master HAF XB computer case (RC-902XB-KKN1)
    Asus VH242H 24" monitor [1920x1080]
    MSI N460GTX Hawk (1GB) video card
    Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium
    HT|Omega Claro plus+ sound card
    CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD UPS
    E6300 (R0) @ 3.504GHz [8x438MHz] ~~ P35-DS3L [rev: 1.0] ~ Bios: F9 ~~ 4x2GB Kingston HyperX T1 PC2-8500, 876MHz @4-4-4-10
    Seasonic X650 80+ gold psu (650w) ~~ Xigmatek Balder HDT 1283 cpu cooler ~~ Cooler Master CM 690 case (RC-690-KKN1-GP)
    Samsung 830 128GB SSD MZ-7PC128B/WW (boot) ~~ WD Caviar Black WD6401AALS 640GB (data) ~~ ZM-MFC2 fan controller
    HT|Omega Striker 7.1 sound card ~~ Asus VH242H monitor [1920x1080] ~~ Logitech Z-5500 Digital 5.1 Speakers
    win7 x64 sp1 Home Premium ~~ CyberPower CP1500PFCLCD U.P.S
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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    I did the CTR+F1 routine - as many times as I've changed BIOS settings in the last year or two since I started playing around with Gigabyte and OC'ing it has become instinctive! Looks like Gigabyte took out the option on this board somewhere along the way. There are a few other guys asking the same question Missing BIOS selections....why? - Gigabyte - Motherboards-Memory.

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    Default Re: Upgrade from XFX GTS 250 to MSI GTX 560

    Pro Jim,
    Just for the record, I went and bought a Kill-A-Watt device to get a second opinion on the wattage usage by the Q9500, E8500, 2600K and E5800 systems. As it turns out the APC XS 1500 UPS's (3 of them all bought a different times) all report watt usage that is ~50 less than the Kill-Watt device. So you were right again, when you thought my Q9550 was not a efficient as I stated above! Just in case your going to ask, I checked the Kill-A-Watt device using 25, 40, 60, 75, 100 and 150 watt bulbs and it was +/- 1 watt from the stated bulb wattage.

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