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    Sorry, after a coolingfan switch like that your warranty is gone...

    :(

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    if you put the original back on, would MSI know the difference?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malabooboo
    if you put the original back on, would MSI know the difference?
    &lt;CENTER&gt;&lt;p&gt;
    First, incase any MSI employees are reading this…

    We are horrified :eek:nd appalled(SP?) that a member of this forum would even suggest:mad: such an outrageous nd nefarious :no:buse of warranty. A letter will been sent to notify someone to send an e-mail to someone else, about something.

    Now with this assurance, please leave.

    :D
    &lt;/p&gt;&lt;/CENTER&gt;
    Now that that formality has been taken care of...

    I think you can replace the original as long as you minimize any physical/visual evidence that it was tampered with.

    I.e. try and use a thermal compound/product that looks similar to what you discovered when you removed the original HSF. Also, if you added the RAM sinks, remove them (Though that can be tough, ask others here how to do that) and clean them.

    If it doesn’t look like it has been tampered with, then I don’t believe there is anyway for them to know what happened.

    Also, important is how long you have had the card; if it is new you are most likely set.

    If you have had the card for awhile, you need to go the, “I turned it on and it was broke.”
    Here you must walk a careful line, you must appear to be sufficient knowledge that there is no chance that you made a mistake while installing it. (I hate it when I dip my video card, instead of my doughnut, in my coffee.)


    Yet, you have no knowledge of and would never *ever* even consider overclocking your modifying your card. Do not mention any mods or OC’s you computer has, you have a plain vanilla system as far as MSI is concerned. All on the up and up.


    Also, being a bit outrage confused frustrated helps. You just had you expensive video card suddenly die for no reason, interrupting you work and valuable time. You bought a MSI card because you wanted the brand name assurance that something like a random failure wouldn’t happen to you.

    Worst comes to worst, if its broke, and you send it in, and they don’t fix it, they’ll send you the broke card bag, I think, and your no worse off.

    Just make sure you removed the sound activated light you attached to it.

    Good luck.
    :thumb:

    I'm sure Wiggo will get a kick out of my sig.
    Someday I would like to become knowledgeable so that I could do penance for all the stupid questions I have and have yet to ask.

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    [QUOTE]Originally posted by negomike
    Also, being a bit outrage confused frustrated helps. You just had you expensive video card suddenly die for no reason, interrupting you work and valuable time. You bought a MSI card because you wanted the brand name assurance that something like a random failure wouldn’t happen to you.

    :D :thumb: Well beyond right you are there Nego;justifable indignation/outrage deslpayed when returning defective items
    one has purchased in good faith, not only puts the salesclerk
    on the defensive,but, if paid cash money as well it can even work
    small miracles........such as getting you past a slightly over limit
    warranty as well!!! And remember it's no sweat off their balls as
    it is the manufacturer who ultimately takes it in the ass when
    the customer indignantly but politely is adamant about rectification of situation and legal rights.
    Case in point, having recently bought over $800.00 in pc componentsfrom PC Club, and when removing the TT passive HS from 1/2 Gb stick of corsair drr unit left me with two of it's chips stuck to the HS,returned to the store in complete outrage,but , with the product & not the celrks.........he says well O.K. but I need the serial#.....so I took HS from pocket flashed them and said "if you can read backwrds through paper, go for it dude..............Manger comes up and ask for receipt as it includes #.......warranty 3weeks past due.All i had done is reglue both chips and told him reason HS was removed was cuz ram only read as 128Mb.........he test and found same to be true & Bhamm .....New Corsair.........it's all in your approach and communication skills. Right Fu**ng on NEgomike.
    best advice have heard that didn't come from either Mr.C,Mr.Tweak or Wiggo.

    And ditto back at ya on that new sig
    :eek: : peace2:
    Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you recall.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ZeAliOuS
    If you noticed, when trying to oc this card there is a limit on the memory of 600 I think, if you know how to get past this please let me know how.
    yo Z, if & when you recover that N'vidia card check out resources available in TT How to's and or DIY Guides here and tweakersasylum.com, Twistedmods.com, Tomshardware.com...
    any tweaker and or OC site should get required results... in the meantime, I'll check my files and PM you with coolbit cheats for
    registry which allow ya to seriously OC the N'vidia.I too have MSI
    Gforce 4 Ti4200 64Mb, card clocked 325/615 and not only stable
    pulls down far better 3DMark2002se score than everything but
    9700 pro.........and it comes close even to that ati card.....and if your still just getting pixelated squares/gobledegook try reseting
    bios with mobo jumper and than making sure the default in bios is set to agp.........if thats what card is......and once again remove
    and re-install drivers for card.........go on net & get most current
    drivers from Nvidia.com.........do cold boot.........and see where it
    takes you..........have fun.....learn......and good luck!:( : peace2: :cheers:
    Happiness isn't something you experience; it's something you recall.

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    This is what my friend is thinking about doing, not ME. somebody else!
    my friend says"
    Thanks a lot for your help, So what I gathered is that My card is definetly broke, I am an incompetent fool who should have never done this job, and that the best way to get a replacement would be to buy a brand new one from local store and replace it with the one thats broke take it back and be like WTF! I spent a ton of money on this card I want a new one, wait I dont even want MSI anymore, they are garbage, I just want my cash back. Only problem is makeing the card look like it did origionally and also the serial number on the card wont match the one that I bought.
    Now as for the makeing the card look stock, I used artic silver on the fan and ram sinks thank god i didnot use those pads! So I should be able to just wipe of the artic silver and put some white thermal paste on the processor so it looks like it did origiinaly. But what about the serial #? Maybe they wont check? Thanks again.
    -anonymous person"
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    my guess (don't hold me to this) is the store won't check that closely

    but wait, why don't the serial numbers match?
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    Quote Originally Posted by dryadsoul
    Right Fu**ng on NEgomike.
    best advice have heard that didn't come from either Mr.C,Mr.Tweak or Wiggo.
    And ditto back at ya on that new sig
    :eek: : peace2:
    Dryadsoul you have truly made my day, I think that is one of the greatest compliments one could receive from a member of this forum. (***Line removed due to stupidity of content***)

    I am just glad that one of my posts was helpful/useful. And again thank the holy triumvirate, who have been named, for answering all my dumb-dumb questions.

    And I am being serious that I feel *very* complimented by that statement.

    Quote Originally Posted by ZeAliOuS
    This is what my friend is thinking about doing, not ME. somebody else!
    my friend says"
    Wait, I thought this was a hypothetical question that was put to you by a friend about a hypothetical friend about a hypothetical situation. ;)


    [B] I gathered is that My card is definitely broke
    I don't know and I have little to no knowledge about these things. Hopefully someone else here could answer that.

    I would suggest trying what Dryadsoul recommended, it sound good, but remember he knows more than I. Just whatever you do keep an eye and being able to return it to as close as possible to its original form.

    [B]I am an incompetent fool who should have never done this job
    I not an authority on this subject but I would say if you can get a mistake or possible mistake replaced at little or no cost then there is no such think as one being incompetent or foolish to attempt a mod. How else will one learn.

    [B]that the best way to get a replacement would be to buy a brand new one from local store and replace it with the one that’s broke take it back and be like WTF!
    If you are still covered by a store warranty or money-back guarantee use that.

    If not, I think you have two choices.
    Try the buy, switch, return trick. If they notice the serial numbers, you don't know what they mean nor how it happened, wtf, it's exactly how you got it from them!?!? Perhaps it was a birthday present?(for you or someone else)(&lt;- will make more sense later)

    Sometimes they check the serial numbers but I think many times they don't. I’m not sure. Also, if you can make it look like the package wasn't even opened your in an even better position.

    Worst case scenario and they wont take the card back. Make sure you buy the second card from someplace that allows you to return the card, even if it is open, for any reason or even no reason. ;)

    Then if the return doesn't work. Go back home, come back a little later like an hour or so. With the new card back in it original packaging.

    Go to the sales clerk, and say that you friend/spouse/parent/pet looked at the card when you weren't there and switched it by mistake with another identical card that had been bought by someone else also as a present.

    So apologize be very nice and sheepish, and ask for the return. The person who was getting the present will be getting the other card replaced by the other reseller.

    [B]I used artic silver on the fan and ram sinks thank god i did not use those pads!
    From what I have read those pads suck and should never be used. Just thinking about it, I've never met a pad that was good at conducting heat away from a surface.

    You used artic silver on the ram sinks? How did you make the sinks stay on?

    Also, just about anything, including pads can be cleaned off chips. At least that’s what I've read.

    [B]So I should be able to just wipe of the artic silver and put some white thermal paste on the processor so it looks like it did originally.
    Yup. :D
    :cheers:
    Someday I would like to become knowledgeable so that I could do penance for all the stupid questions I have and have yet to ask.

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    ummmm...i put those pads on...can they be taken off easily? use artic silver thermal adhesive, right? man, it's expensive for something I won't use much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Malabooboo
    ummmm...i put those pads on...can they be taken off easily? use artic silver thermal adhesive, right? man, it's expensive for something I won't use much.
    Now remember, I am truly a newbie, I have yet to build my own comp.
    So everything I say should be taken as a high sodium diet. Most of what I say is repeating stuff that other people wrote or my interpretation there of.

    EDIT: though I have spent a bit of time inside assort comps and laptops so I;m not completely useless. Just mostly. ;D

    But I read somewhere on how to do it. I think it was in a Zalman VPU H80a heat pipe cooler review somewhere. And the card they used, I think a GF4 Ti4200 128, came with thermal pads for the HSF. So they covered how to remove the.

    I'm late so I can't track the article down now.

    Got to be in the city by 3 and it's 2:15 and I haven't had a shower!:bounce:

    I also read somewhere that it is a waste of time to put ram heat sinks on only one side of RAM that one should have it on both side. Anyone care to comment.

    I think I read it here: http://www.envynews.com/phpBB2/viewt...?p=11257#11257

    Sorry no time to spell/grammar check. Please excuse.
    Someday I would like to become knowledgeable so that I could do penance for all the stupid questions I have and have yet to ask.

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