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    Quote Originally Posted by Saber
    uhhhh, O.K.


    even if NVIDIA tweaked a PHENOMENAL extra 20% out of their cards, they are still not worth buying over a 9700Pro which is WAAYY cheaper.
    I think this is a difficult thing to judge not knowing someone's intended use. I myself am NOT a gamer (okay, I play maybe an hour a week at most), I am a VR/CG programmer and I do "play research" at home (toying with technologies and how to use them in new ways). In my work, at work, ATI has consistently run 50% or more behind the nVidia for my overall VR product. The nearest competetor to the nVidia for running my product is the Wildcat III, which is only 20% behind the Quadro 900. But this is for MY product. It abuses graphics cards like mad, full textured 3D, lighting, etc, but also anti-aliased lines (and lots of them), textured particles effects (soon shaders in these -- I am behind on using shaders *sigh*), the sheer complexity for some reason overwelms all graphics cards, even on a Quadro4-900 I only pull 87fps max (ever)....

    So saying that an ATI 9700 is ALWAYS the way to go is not accurate. I will buy a GeforceFX at work (have already pre-ordered), and I will eventually double check that no other card handles it.... All I really care about is my work, doesn't do me any good to have a card that does 20% better on Quake III if it does even 20% worse on my own product line....

    In addition... I am not saying nVidia is always better... I say, find out how well it performs for what each person wants to use it for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamuraiCatJB
    Quadro4-900 I only pull 87fps max (ever)....
    How does the FPS and IQ compare between a Quadro4 and GF4?

    Do you have a demo movie or something we could see?:geek:

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    This is my first post, but I must say, anyone interested in a 9700 or a Gefroce FX must have lots of money to blow. The cards suck, overhyped, falsely advertised and whats more important is the continuous 'lack of right questions' like this interview. I mean who are these people asking the questions? Have they ever played games? Are they even concious of what consumers are looking for or do they look at it like we are all moneybags just waiting to fill Nvidia and ATI's vault with more loot??

    There is absolutely no mention of the noise generated by the Nvidia card. Tom's Hardware actually has sound files for you to listen to. It's amazing I think the Geforce FX is actually noisier than my PC with 6 fans. The 9700 has nice cooling, mind you.

    There is no question of why 8x AGP? if your card doesn't even use it. FALSE ADVERTISING. I can't sell a car stating a V8 but really only 6 cylinders are going to work on the car.

    What justifies your pricing?

    I mean these are 2 basic questions obviously intended to be left out. Nah, I'm not getting these overhyped lackluster cards. I will wait for the newer ones in 6months time to replace these.

    And unlike some people. I appreciate my hard earned money, I'm not into blowing it on a video card. Perhaps when these cards are down to a $200 price I will consider, but you can be assured these things are going to be hugely overpriced. Look at ATI, they are rumored to be slashing their prices close to 30%...

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    Nvidia say: "...Our silent running feature built-in to the GeForce FX is truly innovative. GeForce FX senses the activity in the 3D pipeline and adjusts the cooling system accordingly. The fan may not even come on during normal use, as the heat-pipe and heat-spreader may provide the needed heat dissipation..."

    What a load of ol' dog doo-doo. In every single benchmark test, the results were the same - wear a pair of protective ear muffs because the noise off the fan is ridiculous, even in 2D mode.

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    Quote Originally Posted by negomike
    How does the FPS and IQ compare between a Quadro4 and GF4?

    Do you have a demo movie or something we could see?:geek:
    the FPS is close, I gained on the average 10% from the G4-4600 to Q4-950, I cannot say how the Quadro4-750's compare as they are on a lower end machine, so I wouldn't want to make a judgement there. Also since my system is flying real-time and moving, its hard to judge IQ at 400 knots.... side by side the IQ on the Q4 looks (subjectively) a little better, especially in anti-aliasing. But when I am flying fast, I don't notice a diff. For most operations, we run frame-synced at 60fps, on the G4 it ocassionally drops to 54, though not often. on the Q4-950, I never see it drop, that was the clincher for one of the customers that paid for it, pretty much constant frame rate on my stuff.

    movie? uhmm... hmmm... I am working on it.... :) the problem is capturing it. I do not like the movies we have (I am my own worst critic), so still working on it. :)

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    Quote Originally Posted by deancarey
    Nvidia say: "...Our silent running feature built-in to the GeForce FX is truly innovative.
    Yeah, so is their interpretation of silent.
    And what the hell is with a silent running feature?

    Dive! Dive!

    Can you hear them Johnsy. Yeah, but....it's weird...

    What are they all singing again?

    No, it sounds like a giant hairdryer.

    :laugh:

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    Quote Originally Posted by negomike
    Yeah, so is their interpretation of silent.
    And what the hell is with a silent running feature?

    Dive! Dive!

    Can you hear them Johnsy. Yeah, but....it's weird...

    What are they all singing again?

    No, it sounds like a giant hairdryer.
    Hairdryers? Their development doesn't stop there. I hear nVidia has won the contract for supplying jet engines to USAF!

    I gotta stop giving 'em stick, although they have become a tad complacent. I mean, they must 'ave handed out their FX card to the top benchmarkers with a smug look on their faces only to have the card handed back (with heat protective gloves on, of course) accompanied by a "...come on, where's the real FX card, this one sucks..." response.

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    Quote Originally Posted by deancarey
    Hairdryers? Their development doesn't stop there. I hear nVidia has won the contract for supplying jet engines to USAF!
    True! In fact, due to their "silent running" the US government is considering replacing the engines in the stealth fighter with'em. Though worries of new sound guided projectiles might eliminate any...uh... "advantage"

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    Quote Originally Posted by negomike
    True! In fact, due to their "silent running" the US government is considering replacing the engines in the stealth fighter with'em. Though worries of new sound guided projectiles might eliminate any...uh... "advantage"
    you've never heard a "stealth" have you? :) they make nVidia sound quite. :D maybe they really DID have that contract?? :rolleyes2

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    Just an "everyman" take on this argument....
    I would consider myself an average user, and it seems as though this argument is just like a Ford vs. Dodge vs. Chevy, etc, etc....
    All that really matters to me is if the freakin' thing RUNS, and whether they back up the product. Admittedly, hardware development is fascinating, and it pays to read about what is coming up, but software is SO much behind hardware development that I can't possibly get the full use of ANY new GPU. It reminds me a lot of my time as a mountain bike mechanic, and racing along guys that spent thousands of dollars tricking out their bikes with the latest gear, and I'd still smoke them uphill and down. The side benefit being that I could always buy their perfectly good but obsolete (to them) parts at a real bargain. I think I'll stick with my plan of waiting for the hyaenas to tear apart the carcasses, wasting their money on having what is brand new for the prestige only afforded by other hyaenas, and upgrade when I can't use the apps that I want to. I am really glad that there's folks willing to make ATI and nVidia gobs of money buying their most expensive products so that folks like myself can reap the benefits when the price drops and the true winners show their mettle. Thanks guys and gals! :cheers:
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