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Thread: FX vs. 9700




  1. #51
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    Not sure if this is posted elsewhere in this forum, but here are John Carmack's thoughts on the new graphics cards.

    The upshot of it is that neither card seems a clear leader.

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    I was looking forward to getting FX but now i dont know
    for one im a big overclocker and there is not much room for that with a FX and two alot of people are talking how it underclocks itself do to hight temp's or hight MHZ im just gona wait for the r350 and for latter FX's with some updates to come out
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    Ati, has done a great job...keeping their drivers sharp. My friend using the 9700 Pro...has had no problems yet. I own a 4600 and i loved it and still do. So i won;t be buying a card soon. I would love for the R350 to rock just to see the bad boys of V Cards head to head. I think the time for a new V card will be when i replace my mobo and cpu to the new AMD Processor and mobo hopefully coming in soon...that way i have a full power house...
    so i voted "wait for both".
    - Damien

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    I'm still looking forward to getting that AIW 9700 Pro.. :)

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    So you can't turn a 9500 pro into a 9700 but you can turn a standerd into one. I thought they were practically the same except the pro had the full 8 pipe line architecture when the standerd had 4?
    What the fcuk happened to my sig?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbydude
    So you can't turn a 9500 pro into a 9700 but you can turn a standerd into one. I thought they were practically the same except the pro had the full 8 pipe line architecture when the standerd had 4?
    9500pro's are always produced on a 9500pro PCB w/a 128bit mem bus

    9500 non pro's may be produced on either a 9500pro PCB or a 9700 PCB

    if you get a 128mb 9500 non pro produced on a 9700 PCB - the 256bit mem bus is already present and fully funtional - it just doesn't impact perfromance with only 4 pipelines active in the GPU

    ...but if you do the softmod to get the full 8 pipelines working - you have a functional 9700

    additionally - if you have a 9500non pro 64mb on a 9700 PCB - or if you have a 9500 non pro 128MB/64MB on a 9500pro PCB....doing the softmod will get you a 9500pro

    so only the 9500 non pro's are mod-able, what you get afterward depnds on the PCB and quantity of memory

    I hope this makes sense

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    aaaaaah yes that makes sense. But is it not possible for a 9500 pro to be made on a 9700 pcb? Well i'm looking into a connect 3d 9500 (pro or standerd) from the overclocking store and i'm not sure if the pro or the standerd is based on a 9700 pcb.
    Well thanx for the info:cheers:
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    Quote Originally Posted by rugbydude
    aaaaaah yes that makes sense. But is it not possible for a 9500 pro to be made on a 9700 pcb? Well i'm looking into a connect 3d 9500 (pro or standerd) from the overclocking store and i'm not sure if the pro or the standerd is based on a 9700 pcb.
    Well thanx for the info:cheers:
    if a 9500pro 128mb was made on a 9700PCB - then it would already be a 9700

    9500pro = 8 pipelines active
    9700PCB = 256bit memory

    I've never seen or heard of any 9500pro's being made with 9700PCB's - ATi probably won't allow it

    on a 9500 np -the extra memory bandwidth doesn't affect performance since it is already limited by having only 4 active pipelines in the GPU - Obviously a 256bit mem bus would seriously affect the performance on an 8 pipeline 9500pro


    also - if you plan on getting a 9500np 128mb and modding to a 9700 - there's no guarantee it will work

    the extra 4 piplines on the GPU either haven't been tested or are known to be defective....I would estimate probably 25-33% of the modded 9500np's have some problems - some of the problems can be solved by improving cooling/increasing GPU core voltage/decreasing AGP to 4X/disabling fast writes & sideband addressing...but there's still no guarantee.

    I've been doing a little research myself - a local vendor has Sapphire 9500 128mb's on 9700 PCB's for $150US & I may decide to give it a try

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    bulletpc.com
    is selling a Pre-modded 9500 to a 9700 pro for $200 with a 30 day warranty.

    http://www.bulletpc.com/Qstore/p000293.htm

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    I have the 9700Pro, but will probably buy a GeforceFX in the near future. Why? Nvidia's driver support in linux is 900 times better. I do not want to wait another couple of months for ATI to make minimal improvements to their drivers. ARGH!!! i love the card, just not the software. :mad:

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