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Thread: Do I need a cooling ujpgrade 4 my 9700Pro?




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    I won't buy another Antec....I had an Antec 510w on a dual Athlon sever...it lasted about 3 weeks. i replaced it with an NMB 480w powersupply - & it's been fine ever since. Even just to look at it the NMB was a heavier, better quality unit:thumb:

    the Antec could barely handle the 4x73GB scsi's spinning up - even if I staggered them.

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    What is the worst thing that can happen????

    Will my PC it turn off???

    That´s not SO bad....

    Will my mobo burn out like I read before??

    Now, THAT´s something to worry about.


    I wont put in danger my PC, so I want to know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky1810
    What is the worst thing that can happen????
    As long as you aren't using SCSI drives - there's not too much that can happen (as far as permanent damage goes)

    Unexplained instability & random restarts are common problems with underpowered systems

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    If your system attempts to draw more amps than the PSU can handle then you'll often see voltages drop as the PSU tries to provide the required amps. Running any electronic gear at decreased voltage can lead to damage, whether it's to the PSU or the mobo/cpu/etc.
    Tomac
    PS- No permanent damage? At the very least you risk burning out your PSU. Check out these articles:
    http://www.tomshardware.com/column/20011012/index.html
    http://www.tomshardware.com/howto/20021021/index.html
    http://www.anandtech.com/guides/showdoc.html?i=1128

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tomac

    PS- No permanent damage? At the very least you risk burning out your PSU.
    yes - that's true - you very well could burn out your power supply - I didn't mention that. In most cases though, the risk to other hardware is minmal.

    I'm not talking about trying to run a sever with a 165w ps - just the using a low/mid grade 300/350w ps vs. one of the top-of-the-line ps's like enermax in a typical gaming desktop

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    What da ****???

    Somebody shoot me... :(

    In the review of anandtech, says this:

    "To AMD, the rating on the +5V and +3.3V rails is the most important because those are the voltages supplied to the motherboard and the CPU. The combined rating, as appears on AMD’s recommended power supply page indicates the sum of the +5V and +3.3V ratings on the power supplies listed. These two ratings, as well as their combined rating, are very important in choosing a power supply that will work well with your new Athlon system.

    The remaining +12V power rail is extremely important if you’re going to have any high RPM disk drives in your new system since the +12V rail powers all of the hard disks in your system. Also, coolers such as Swiftech’s MC1000 cooler run off of the +12V rail and often times have heavy current demands which is another thing you need to take into account as you look for a power supply that can reliably power your system."


    So, everything is opposite with the other review,where says that the CPU takes the 12V+ rail power.....



    Witch one should I believe???????

    I fell like walking in the dark here...

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    Check the date on the Anandtech article, it was written when systems drew most heavily on the 3.3V & 5V rails. Modern system components (cpu's, fans, HDs, video cards like the 9700) now draw most heavily on the 12V rail which is why cheaper/generic PSU's may fail: they provide plenty of power for older system specs but many times not enough over the 12V rail for newer systems.
    Tomac

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    I removed the GPU shim and put AS2 in place of the factory goop to help the cooling process. I get a stable and artifact free clock of 378 on this card now. I also just put tweakmoster ram sinks on the bga modules. Since I have 3.3ns Infineon modules, I knew they were running hot at default speed for this card, so feel better giving them a place to put all that heat. I got these sinks from www.crazypc.com along with the Arctic Silver thermal adhesive. They were very easy to install, and the adhesive congealed into a state where I could put the card back in my pc within 30 minutes. I finally hit 17K on 3Dmark 2001 thanks to my new "cool" setup. Here's a pic....
    - -+ r e v e n a n t +- -
    my rig: Shyznat
    * AMD XP 2600+ @2277 on an MSI K7N2-L * 2x 256meg Corsair PC3200 XMS Platinum in Dual Channel mode @ 3,2,1,2.0 * ATI Radeon 9700 Pro * 4x IBM 180GXP 60gig RAID 0+1 on a Promise Fastrack100 * 1x Western Digital WD800JB 80gig with 8mb buffer on mainboard IDE *Soundblaster Live! * Samsung SW-248B CDRW with 8mb buffer * Sony DDU1621 DVDR * Enermax EG465P-VE 431watt PSU * 23.1" Sceptre X23s-Naga LCD * Chieftech windowed case with glowing ide cables * pic1 * pic2 * pic3 * pic4 * pic5 * 9700 * 3Dmark03 5432 * 3Dmark2001SE 17K club member * the sweet spot *

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    How did you make sure that the ram sinks or the AC adhesive didn't short anything?

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    I put the AC on very carefully, and any spill over I cleaned up with a Q-tip. It's like a puddy in it's "work" phase, so it was easy to make sure it did not ooze all over the place. I did have a little get on the board on the first chip I gooped up. I pulled away to fast and a string of AC formed between the application stick and the chip. It fell down across some scary looking areas, but I cleaned them up very quickly and have had no problems at all. Feew! It all worked out in the end. I can now clock my ram at 333 with complete stability and no artifacts. I would recommend using these with the Zalman (the new one should allow enough room to use them) so you cool all of the hot components down properly when OCing. I dunno, maybe it's just me, but, seeing bare "high performace" memory modules naked does not sit well with me anymore. I am a big fan (ha, no pun untended) of taking all of the necessary cooling precautions that I can, within reason. Cheers!

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    - -+ r e v e n a n t +- -
    my rig: Shyznat
    * AMD XP 2600+ @2277 on an MSI K7N2-L * 2x 256meg Corsair PC3200 XMS Platinum in Dual Channel mode @ 3,2,1,2.0 * ATI Radeon 9700 Pro * 4x IBM 180GXP 60gig RAID 0+1 on a Promise Fastrack100 * 1x Western Digital WD800JB 80gig with 8mb buffer on mainboard IDE *Soundblaster Live! * Samsung SW-248B CDRW with 8mb buffer * Sony DDU1621 DVDR * Enermax EG465P-VE 431watt PSU * 23.1" Sceptre X23s-Naga LCD * Chieftech windowed case with glowing ide cables * pic1 * pic2 * pic3 * pic4 * pic5 * 9700 * 3Dmark03 5432 * 3Dmark2001SE 17K club member * the sweet spot *

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