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Thread: Well this is the thread, what should we buy?




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    Alright here's the scoop, right now my bro play's Day of Defeat on his box, and it runs pretty poorly. He wants to be able to play Postal 2, but I told him there is no way w/ his current hardware. We want to upgrade his box for $240 US dollars to make it the best that it can be. I figured the best way to to this would be to hit up the Vid card, and his RAM. Here's his current specs:

    ECS K7S5A
    Duron 1.2 ghz
    192 pc133 SDRAM (Board can accept pc2100 DDR, and actually runs better w/ it :D)
    Geforce 2 mx200 (Horrible card)

    Right off the bat I know that I want to get 512 of PC2100 DDR slapped in there (~70 U.S. for brand name memory) But then the main question I have is should we go all out on the graphics card, and get him a ti4800SE/Geforce FX 5600 w/ 256 DDR, or should we back down on the card and purchase a budget one such as an Xabre 400/Geforce mx460/Geforce FX 5200, and get him an Athlon XP 2000 or 2200? I am going toward the all out video card, but with the UT03 engine, it might devour his processor... Either way the 512 of PC2100 is a must. Please make some suggestions for video cards (preferably nvidia, as the word ATI is blasphemy in my house ;) And perhaps we should go the processor route? For the HL engine I know what will benifit most, but I am trying to find a happy-medium...

    Thanks again guys :D
    Box:
    [Mobo] Asus A7N8X w/ Modified 1003 Uber BIOS w/ Custom Boot logo
    [CPU] Athlon XP 2200+ Thoroughbred
    [Memory] 512 Samsung PC3200 DDR400 w/ Copper Heatsink(s)
    [Video Card] Geforce 3 ti200 128 DDR Special Gold Edition

    Cooling
    [Case] All aluminum Skyhawk case w/ custom cut blowhole
    [HSF] Volcano 11 Xaser Edition
    [Northbridge] ThermalTake Crystal Orb
    [Southbridge] Aluminum Northbridge heatsink attatched

    Operating System:
    [OS] Windows XP Pro w/ SP1

    Are you sick of poor quality 128k mp3's that sound inferior to regular CD's you buy in the store? Do you long for the exact sound of a CD with absolutly no quality loss, and at practically half the size of a normal CD? CD's get scratched all the time, and FLAC is great for archiving all those good copies of your classic rock, and backing them up to save forever. FLAC unlike mp3, or ogg vorbis is what is called a lossless format. This means that no quality whatsoever is lost from the origianl disk. Lossy formats such as ogg vorbis, wmv, and moreover mp3 are usually flat sounding, and full of hissing and dullness because they discard and literally throw out important information that controls how good the CD will sound. Using FLAC will ensure the crystal-clear clarity that you can expect from a freshly opened CD. Instead of flimsy CD cases that snap and CD's that scratch easily, and are inevitably summoned to a poor scratched up death; FLAC files can be stored in a tough metal box known as your Hard Disk. FLAC putting life back into digital audio. If you own legit copies of CD's and seek for them pre-FLAC'd for all your digital listening needs please shoot me a PM for more information.

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    a all ti4800se isnt going to be at its best on SD system ram. maybe if u got a new video card/ddr ram...:confused:
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    I bet that P.O.S. ECS K7S5A starts to play up once ya start upgradin'. :hammer:

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    get a better CPU, def. For a vid card, a Ti4800SE is nothing but a Ti4400 with extra features, dont get it, waste of money. Get a Ti4200. I really recommend them, mine runs the Ut2003 engine sweetly (100fps w/ everything on) and it o/c's very well, def one of the best cards out there for only $130. For a better CPU, any of those sound fine (I dont know alot about AMD's) as a new CPU will give you a big performance boost, unless you like bare terrains and no extra characters =/ . Good luck, : peace2: Mista K6
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    -400MHz FSB i850 Intel mobo
    -P4 Williamette Socket 478, 1.9GHz
    -768MB 16-bit PC800 RDRAM
    -MSI GF4 Ti4200 128MB @ 284/581
    -7200 RPM Maxtors: 60GB (2MB) on mobo and 160GB (8MB) on ATA/133 PCI Card
    -Creative Inspire T7700 7.1 Speaker System on an Audigy 2
    -Windows XP Home Edition SP2

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    Get rid of that ECS crap first. 2nd, while the Duron 1.2 ain't a screamer, I'd look at other things to upgrade.

    First the motherboard and the RAM. PC2700 is at a decent price, tho you can find some decent PC3200 if you look in the right spots. Directron has 256MB of Samsung PC3200 for under $50 + shipping, which wouldn't be a bad idea. Motherboard-wise, if he's not gonna do much, if any, overclocking, MSI or Gigabyte is the way to go. Both have their KT600 boards available, and shouldn't be too hard to find around $80 or less online for the basic boards.

    The Radeon 9500/9500Pro's are being discontinued, and they feature DX9 support. Not dissing the Ti4x00's, but this wouldn't be a bad move.

    The last thing I'd change would be the CPU. Remove the other bottlenecks first, then look at swapping out the Duron.

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    Good suggestions guys! The reason I was looking at the ti4800 was because it was pretty cheap on newegg. Sure it's just a beefed up 4400, but it would probably be worth it. I think the best thing to do would probably be to just get the 4200, and then slap in 512 PC2100 DDR (pc2100 is what the board supports!). If money is available probably then will come the processor, but if the mobo isn't giving any problems, then I don't see any reason to change it up. I am suprised a lot of you don't like the K7S5A... I thought it was a pretty popular board. But there definetly IS better.
    Box:
    [Mobo] Asus A7N8X w/ Modified 1003 Uber BIOS w/ Custom Boot logo
    [CPU] Athlon XP 2200+ Thoroughbred
    [Memory] 512 Samsung PC3200 DDR400 w/ Copper Heatsink(s)
    [Video Card] Geforce 3 ti200 128 DDR Special Gold Edition

    Cooling
    [Case] All aluminum Skyhawk case w/ custom cut blowhole
    [HSF] Volcano 11 Xaser Edition
    [Northbridge] ThermalTake Crystal Orb
    [Southbridge] Aluminum Northbridge heatsink attatched

    Operating System:
    [OS] Windows XP Pro w/ SP1

    Are you sick of poor quality 128k mp3's that sound inferior to regular CD's you buy in the store? Do you long for the exact sound of a CD with absolutly no quality loss, and at practically half the size of a normal CD? CD's get scratched all the time, and FLAC is great for archiving all those good copies of your classic rock, and backing them up to save forever. FLAC unlike mp3, or ogg vorbis is what is called a lossless format. This means that no quality whatsoever is lost from the origianl disk. Lossy formats such as ogg vorbis, wmv, and moreover mp3 are usually flat sounding, and full of hissing and dullness because they discard and literally throw out important information that controls how good the CD will sound. Using FLAC will ensure the crystal-clear clarity that you can expect from a freshly opened CD. Instead of flimsy CD cases that snap and CD's that scratch easily, and are inevitably summoned to a poor scratched up death; FLAC files can be stored in a tough metal box known as your Hard Disk. FLAC putting life back into digital audio. If you own legit copies of CD's and seek for them pre-FLAC'd for all your digital listening needs please shoot me a PM for more information.

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    Man them k7s5a's are very problem prone, so it wouldnt surprise me one bit if it gives you hell when you put in the new RAM and ti4800.

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    ECS boards give fits with certain components. They're cheap sure, and if you get the right components to go with them, they run fine. Go ahead and put a creative/broadxtent modem in there and have fun pulling your hair out. Time=money, and I'd rather spend a little more money for a board that's not going to throw fits with certain hardware, than shave a few bucks off and have a higher risk of hardware problems.

    You may not have problems going that route, however, ECS boards are not the best boards. They're made to be inexpensive and thus sacrifice higher quality components, trace layouts, etc that make people buy brands like Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, Epox, and others. You get what you pay for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Morgan_Lander
    ECS boards give fits with certain components. They're cheap sure, and if you get the right components to go with them, they run fine. Go ahead and put a creative/broadxtent modem in there and have fun pulling your hair out. Time=money, and I'd rather spend a little more money for a board that's not going to throw fits with certain hardware, than shave a few bucks off and have a higher risk of hardware problems.

    You may not have problems going that route, however, ECS boards are not the best boards. They're made to be inexpensive and thus sacrifice higher quality components, trace layouts, etc that make people buy brands like Asus, Abit, Gigabyte, Epox, and others. You get what you pay for.
    I agree with you wholly :D. This is why I have an Asus A7N8X! But my bro's system was meant to be a budget system, which is why I chose the K7S5A.
    Box:
    [Mobo] Asus A7N8X w/ Modified 1003 Uber BIOS w/ Custom Boot logo
    [CPU] Athlon XP 2200+ Thoroughbred
    [Memory] 512 Samsung PC3200 DDR400 w/ Copper Heatsink(s)
    [Video Card] Geforce 3 ti200 128 DDR Special Gold Edition

    Cooling
    [Case] All aluminum Skyhawk case w/ custom cut blowhole
    [HSF] Volcano 11 Xaser Edition
    [Northbridge] ThermalTake Crystal Orb
    [Southbridge] Aluminum Northbridge heatsink attatched

    Operating System:
    [OS] Windows XP Pro w/ SP1

    Are you sick of poor quality 128k mp3's that sound inferior to regular CD's you buy in the store? Do you long for the exact sound of a CD with absolutly no quality loss, and at practically half the size of a normal CD? CD's get scratched all the time, and FLAC is great for archiving all those good copies of your classic rock, and backing them up to save forever. FLAC unlike mp3, or ogg vorbis is what is called a lossless format. This means that no quality whatsoever is lost from the origianl disk. Lossy formats such as ogg vorbis, wmv, and moreover mp3 are usually flat sounding, and full of hissing and dullness because they discard and literally throw out important information that controls how good the CD will sound. Using FLAC will ensure the crystal-clear clarity that you can expect from a freshly opened CD. Instead of flimsy CD cases that snap and CD's that scratch easily, and are inevitably summoned to a poor scratched up death; FLAC files can be stored in a tough metal box known as your Hard Disk. FLAC putting life back into digital audio. If you own legit copies of CD's and seek for them pre-FLAC'd for all your digital listening needs please shoot me a PM for more information.

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    I know, even then, I'd look at a basic board from MSI or Gigabyte. ECS is just not worth the savings to me. I rate them on the same level as FIC---craptacular products, except that ECS tends to work more often than FIC does. FIC seems to like to release beta boards so they end up being buggy pieces of **** that are overpriced to boot. ECS has problems, but you're much more likely to have success getting a board to run right.

    You want something cheap that doesn't suck ass, try AOpen. Nothing fancy, but they're reliable. Newegg lists their AK77-8XN for $68. It's a KT400 board, which is better than SiS 735 or whatever the hell that ECS board runs.

    It's the next cheapest thing you can buy to ECS, but you'll be in a better situation. Also, being a KT400 board, you can use any 333MHz FSB Athlon.

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