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Thread: What should i buy FIRST???




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    My sig.

    XP 2000+ Box
    MSI KT3 Ultra 2
    2 sticks 256 DDR 266 generic
    Gigabyte 9800 pro 128

    I can play most games today at 1600*1200, every setting in high

    But to play Doom3/HL2, i really think im gonna need to upgrade my micro and memories...

    Was thinking 2800+ barton, any thought?

    And 2 sticks of 512 DDR 333...


    So, whatll give a bigger boost in my performance??????

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    Well if you want to save money, you can buy a XP 2500+ and overclock it to 3200+ speeds. I would also get PC3200 memory instead of PC2700 because it is faster and is easier to overclock (as long as you get a good brand). This is what I have learned so far because I am looking to get a new system also.
    Case: Aspire X-Alien Silver
    Power Supply: Antec True430
    Motherboard: Abit IC7-MAX3
    Processor: Pentium 4 2.6c
    Memory: Corsair XMS PC3500 1024MB(512x2)
    Video Card: ATI Radeon 9800 Pro
    Sound Card: Sound Blaster Audigy 2
    Speakers: Logitech Z-680

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    with that video card, I don't think you have much to worry about. With your current setup you can upgrade the memory without immediatly upgrading the cpu. but if you upgrade the cpu, you will have to upgrade the memory as well. Mike2010 had a good suggestion: get a 2500+ and 2x PC3200 (or PC3500)

    A 2500+ can usually OC to 3200+ level with ease if you use the right mobo. But in this case you should also consider upgrading to a mobo that supports a 400 mhz fsb, such as something with the nforce2 chipset (since you will have to push the fsb up to 200 (aka 400) to achieve a 3200+ lvl)
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    well, unfortunate, I cant afford to OC my micro, cause I live in Argentina, and the prices are very high here... Id rather go safe on this.

    And my mobo runs at 333 max :shrug:

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    if you can't swap the mobo, then I'd still recomend the 2500+ but with PC2700 instead. But if you can only upgrade one at a time, then start with the RAM

    but first check your mobo website to see if there is a bios update that will allow for compatibility with barton's
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    Yep, my mobo support barton:

    http://www.msi.com.tw/program/suppor...il.php?UID=341

    Or just:

    Thoroughbred (0.13u) 133/266MHz FSB

    AthlonXP 1700+ 133 11 OK
    AthlonXP 1800+ 133 11.5 OK
    AthlonXP 1900+ 133 12 OK
    AthlonXP 2000+ 133 12.5 OK
    AthlonXP 2100+ 133 13 OK
    AthlonXP 2200+ 133 13.5 OK
    AthlonXP 2400+ 133 15 OK
    AthlonXP 2600+ 133 16 OK

    Thoroughbred (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB

    AthlonXP 2800+ 166 13 OK

    Barton (0.13u) 166/333MHz FSB 512KB L2 Cache

    AthlonXP 2500+ 166 11 OK
    AthlonXP 2800+ 166 12.5 OK
    AthlonXP 3000+ 166 13 OK


    So, Ram will give me better boost than a new CPU?

    Barton is better than Thoroughbred all the way, right?
    Then I think that Barton AthlonXP 2800+ 166 12.5 is the best choice? Or there is not any difference with 2500+

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    About RAM, around here, i can get Kingston sometimes), or Spectek, or just generic... Is kingston better?

    Again, Ill not OC RAM either.... Maybe generic is just fine... ? :shrug: (got to love that smile, je)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky1810
    About RAM, around here, i can get Kingston sometimes), or Spectek, or just generic... Is kingston better?

    Again, Ill not OC RAM either.... Maybe generic is just fine... ? :shrug: (got to love that smile, je)
    of those 3 options, i would go with Kingston. It's a reliable brand, and at stock speeds you should be able to get great timings

    generic would probably be fine in a non OC system, but since you are a gamer I wouldn't recomend it

    Quote Originally Posted by Ricky1810
    So, Ram will give me better boost than a new CPU?

    Barton is better than Thoroughbred all the way, right?
    Then I think that Barton AthlonXP 2800+ 166 12.5 is the best choice? Or there is not any difference with 2500+
    I said upgrade the RAM because you can't upgrade the cpu without also upgrading the memory as well. Memory alone wont give you a boost in performance, but you can upgrade that without upgrading the cpu at the same time. I was assuming that money was a factor, but if performance is the biggest thing, then get both the memory and cpu at the same time since you will need both to get the performance you want.

    the only difference between the t-bred and the barton, is the baton has 2x the cache. remember the numbers are there for a reason; the 2600 is faster than the 2500 and the 2800 is faster than both (at stock speeds)
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    Quote Originally Posted by minibubba

    the only difference between the t-bred and the barton, is the baton has 2x the cache.
    What does it means?????

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    cache is small amounts of super-fast memory on the cpu used to store commonly used insructions. The barton core doubles the amount of cache that the t-bred core used, thus theoretically speeding up the cpu by allowing faster access to more commonly used instructions. This can have a big effect in games since the same insructions are used over and over again.
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