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Thread: Building a New System, Please help




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    Well, here comes Christmas. I've been wanting to build a new system for almost a year now and have finally chosen to do so come January, once I have gotten some parts and some money from Christmas.

    I have a few questions, and They are really all over the place, but I will post them all in this section of forum cause one is about video card and this part of forum is viewed often.

    I like to shop from Newegg.com (I have bought an Audigy 2 and some Logitech Z-680 speakers from them before, was very satisfied with service/prices.) and I noticed they had a great deal, $215 for a Intel Pentium 4/ 2.8C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology Proc. I was wondering if I should get this with my current budget of $1500 (about). I also want a case with a window, and I want to watercool. I read the article on the Corsair HydroCool 200 and think that is great because its easy to install and yields impressive results. Also, they say its expensive but I don't think its too steep. After reading the review on the Power Supply from Thermaltake, The Butterfly, I think that'd be a great addition as well.

    For the video card, I was thinking the Radeon 9800 XT, but I didn't like how its "ahead of its time" and expensive ('bout $475). I like the looks of it and its no doubt the best card but if another one is comin out right around the corner that will be roughly the same price and will be drastically better/more overclockable, let me know.

    I also am not sure of what memory I should get, so I am open to suggestion.

    Seeing as how I want to buy a powersupply seperate/want a case window/am water cooling, I'm not sure what case I should get. I like both Cooler Master and Thermaltake brands, but I don't need all the fans the Xaser III has to offer (or do I?) Noise isn't a huge factor but I don't want something I can hear over my Z-680's .

    And for Motherboard, I like the Chaintech one, its baby blue..feel stupid forgetting the name so please forgive.

    I kinda wrote this in a hurry because I gotta get back to studying for finals, and if I forgot anything, let me know. (I know what Harddrive/Dvd Rom I want.)

    Any help would be great. I'm looking for components that can utilize the water cooling (meaning overclock well).

    -Joe

    P.S. Also, I have a quick question about watercooling. What components does it cool? Processor and what else? In the pictures I only noticed two tubes..so does that mean I need fans AND water? Cue me in, I'm new to building computers (first one). Thanks.

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    Get a 9800 non pro and overclock it too a 9800 pro.
    Pentium 4 2.6ghz 800mhz
    Kingston Hyper-X Pc3200 1gb
    Ati Radeon 9600 Pro 128mb
    Samsung 120gb hard drive
    Mitsumi 48x Cd-Rom
    Hp Dvd-writer 300N 4x
    Viewsonic 15' LCD
    Asus P4SD-LA Mobo
    Cooler Master Cpu Heatsink&Fan
    Creative Audigy 2 ZS
    Creative inspire 2-1 speakers
    Antec TrueBlue 480watt PSU

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    I'm not too sure about that..if I'm not going all out on the vid card I could just get a 9600 Pro and overclock that.

    Please, more detailed responses, though I appreciate yours, Compgeek.

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    cpu: intel p4 2.4c
    mobo: Asus pc800, i think i got that right.
    ram: ddr3200 kingston
    video card: 9800 non pro and flash it to pro, or just get a pro and overclock it to something high =)
    cooling: Don't really need water cooler if your not going to overclock, but in case you do...the 2.4c can overclock to 3.6 on air cooling with a decent hsf.
    I think the water cooler that you are talking about cools the cpu and gpu(video card).
    You can go with Antec Plusview window, its nice and roomy.
    :cheers:
    CPU: Opteron 165 @ 311x9 - 2817.8 mhz - 1.47v
    Mobo: Abit KN8-SLI
    RAM: 2x512 Crucial Ballistic Tracers500 @ 202 mhz 2-2-2-5 T1
    GFX: Asus EAX1950pro @ 648/1408
    PSU: Thermaltake 500w
    SC: Audigy 2 zs
    LCD: 22' Samsung 225bw
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 Ultra
    Mouse: Logitech G5

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    Yo! Thanks man. Nice list..but is there a max of overclocking no matter how cool? Because 2.8 to 3.6 is a big jump for just air..with water, would it be like, 4.4? I don't think so but let me know.

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    The 2.4c is a popular chip because it is know for a big overclocking head room. With the right cooling, you can go to 4 ghz and up probably....but i think that is with exotic cooling, water can't make it that high. But on air cooling...with a really good hsf..you can overclock to 3.6. :cheers:
    CPU: Opteron 165 @ 311x9 - 2817.8 mhz - 1.47v
    Mobo: Abit KN8-SLI
    RAM: 2x512 Crucial Ballistic Tracers500 @ 202 mhz 2-2-2-5 T1
    GFX: Asus EAX1950pro @ 648/1408
    PSU: Thermaltake 500w
    SC: Audigy 2 zs
    LCD: 22' Samsung 225bw
    Speakers: Klipsch ProMedia 5.1 Ultra
    Mouse: Logitech G5

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    3.6 is really the limit with water/air cooling. The fastest I saw a P4 go was 4.4 ghz, and than was with dual phase change cooling, aka, -100 Celsius. Video card wise, its really all about money. 9800 is top of the line. Pro is nice, XT is the best, but just an overclocked Pro, but it comes with Half-Life 2 (50 dollars right there). Case wise look for something with good ventilation. At least one unobstructed front intake (as in the front bezel has holes in it to allow for good ariflow. Id look for at least 1 exhaust in back and one side intake. Not bad too have a top blowhole either, but thats really optional. I just ordered a 480 Butterfly, so good job with the PSU :) And yes, you do need fans with watercooling. At most all you can watercool is your videocard, CPU, Northbridge, and Hard drive. Although those are the hotspots, your memory, mobo, and rest of junk still needs good airflow to keep it cool, especially while overclocking.

    I think that about covers it, Happy Christmas Shopping!
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    First thing, everyone seems to like newegg. I have never purchased a thing from them. I checked out their prices and they are about as good as tigerdirect with better stock. I have always found tremendous deals using www.pricewatch.com I wouldn't know how that'd work outside the USA. Although, there is an international option. Check it out.

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