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    I'm tring for top end as possible for around $700 or less (US), keeping gaming in mind. I think I'll go with this board http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=0
    unless Newegg gets something better thats refurbished for MB's in. I really love my refurbished Gigabyte board so I'm hoping another one of those pop up soon before I have to order.

    I'll be sticking in my old Ati Radeon 9500 pro video card or possibly my GeForce 5700 ultra and then upgrading my system I took the card from.

    I have a harddrive for it already, either a WD 120 Gb or Maxtor 80 Gb.

    I'll probabaly put a Intel Pentium 4/ 2.6C GHz 800MHz FSB in it for a CPU (fairly sure about this).

    I'm not sure what case to go with yet :confused:, They want me to pick it but I want to keep cost down and get something fancy. Even though I would never buy a Powmax PSU, I've had good luck with their cases so I might go with this one. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=1

    I also like this Antec case which already has a great PSU in it but its a little spendy. http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=1
    Wish it had a side window though.
    Does anyone know where to get a flashy cheap case?

    I guess my biggest question is what RAM to get? I'm putting in 512 MB. Wheres some cheap stable stuff?

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    You have a dual channel board there, so your gonna want 2x256MB. And because its its the P4C, you want DDR3200, unless your OCing.

    http://www.crucial.com/store/PartSpe...64Z40B&cat=RAM

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    You want 3200/3500 whether you are overclocking or not, anything higher just sucks.

    And yes get 2 sticks to use in dual channel.

    Though for gaming I would advise this instead:

    A64 3000+ $215
    ASUS K8V Deluxe $135

    Faster and about the same price.

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    I got this board refurbished for $69 (US). http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...=BROWSE&depa=0

    Soulburner, I didn't realize those AMD 64 bit CPU's were that cheap and that fast (Great reviews). Unfortunatly I already ordered the board and CPU from Newegg, so I'm stuck with what I have (its shipping right now):( . Oh well, for $238 (MB $69, CPU $169) for the combo isn't bad and I think it will still make a great gaming system for someone that was still using a Pentium 166mhz system up to this day and age.

    Dyck15, thanks for the link! Thats the best price I've seen for that quality of Ram. And yes I was planning on enabling dual but why the DDR3200 and whats best for overclocking?

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    When buying RAM, something to think about is the clock speed. On PC3200, the speed is 200MHz. Your P4s FSB is also at 200MHz, quad-pumped to 800MHz. When possible, you want your RAM speed and FSB speed to be equal, or as close as possible, to ellimate the chances of a bottleneck.

    When OCing that CPU, youll want something faster then 200. PC4000 is the next logical step. Basically this is just that your thinking ahead, knowing your CPUs FSB will be pushed up. Again, you want the ratio to be as close to 1:1 as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dyck15
    When buying RAM, something to think about is the clock speed. On PC3200, the speed is 200MHz. Your P4s FSB is also at 200MHz, quad-pumped to 800MHz. When possible, you want your RAM speed and FSB speed to be equal, or as close as possible, to ellimate the chances of a bottleneck.

    When OCing that CPU, youll want something faster then 200. PC4000 is the next logical step. Basically this is just that your thinking ahead, knowing your CPUs FSB will be pushed up. Again, you want the ratio to be as close to 1:1 as possible.
    Glad to know that. I don't think overclocking my friends new system is a good idea. I want it as stable as possible, but maybe someday I'll try that with my own. I think I put the 4000 stuff in this system.:?:


    One more question... What would happen if I put 500mhz ram in my friends system and I didn't overclock? Would that cuase problems?

    Make it 2.... Is GEIL a good brand?

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    Actually, if you're gaming, PC4000 RAM wouldnt be all that great. Gaming depends mostly on low latency RAM. Lower timings really give much better performance than speed. For instance, your best bet would be to buy some PC3200 BH5 memory and set it at 2-2-2-5 timings. If you want to OC, just set a 5:4 ratio and pump the FSB up to 250 while the RAM remains at 200 with the quick timings. "Speedy" memory like PC4000 has horrible timings, usually 3-4-4-8, and the speed gives it great benchmarking scores, but in games its not that wonderful. : peace2: Mista K6
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    Yup 5:4 2-2-2-5 > 1:1 3-4-4-8

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mista K6
    Actually, if you're gaming, PC4000 RAM wouldnt be all that great. Gaming depends mostly on low latency RAM. Lower timings really give much better performance than speed. For instance, your best bet would be to buy some PC3200 BH5 memory and set it at 2-2-2-5 timings. If you want to OC, just set a 5:4 ratio and pump theGEIL FSB up to 250 while the RAM remains at 200 with the quick timings. "Speedy" memory like PC4000 has horrible timings, usually 3-4-4-8, and the speed gives it great benchmarking scores, but in games its not that wonderful. : peace2: Mista K6
    You guys are teaching me so much here.;). I always thought faster is better for everything when it comes to P.C.'s.
    I've never overclocked before (obviously):o so I don't quite understand how to set the Ram at 2-2-2-5 timings. Is it just a bios setting? And if I use the 5:4 ratio :confused: will my friends system still be rock solid stable?

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    I actually learned that little bit on the timings from soulburner :D . But yah, 5:4 is really stable and fast. My friend's running it now on his new P4 2.4C @ 3GHz and it's like lightning: I've never seen programs load and exit so fast. : peace2: Mista K6
    Modified Dell 8200 Case:
    -400MHz FSB i850 Intel mobo
    -P4 Williamette Socket 478, 1.9GHz
    -768MB 16-bit PC800 RDRAM
    -MSI GF4 Ti4200 128MB @ 284/581
    -7200 RPM Maxtors: 60GB (2MB) on mobo and 160GB (8MB) on ATA/133 PCI Card
    -Creative Inspire T7700 7.1 Speaker System on an Audigy 2
    -Windows XP Home Edition SP2

    Rock on : peace2: , MiStA K6

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