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    Well...just want some backup before I actually go buy anything, what do you think of my new rig
    what should be scraped and what should be added?

    this is a gamingrig :)



    Chieftec Dragon ServerTower Zwart/Antraciet, 360W
    EPoX 8KDA3+, S-754, nForce3,3xDDR,nVRAID,SATA,GLAN
    AMD 64 3200+ 1MB cache

    ( need some help on this one: )
    3x 160GB Maxtor SATA in RAID 5 or
    2x 160GB Maxtor SATA in Raid 0 with a 36GB WD Raptor

    2x Kingston HyperX 512MB 400MHz 2-3-2-6-1 memory
    Samsung 1.44" FDD black
    NEC ND-2500A DVD Burner black
    Plextor PX-116A DVD player black
    Ati 9800 Pro 128MB (no X800 here yet)
    Zalman Reserator 1 watercooling
    Papst 8412N/2GML 80x80x25mm 19dba
    Creative I-Trigue 2.1 3500
    Neovo 17" E-17B Black+speakers 15MS LCD screen

    price will be about €2400

    I dont wanna go above €2500, actually...€2000 was my intention...oh well :P
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    do you really need all of that hard drive space.
    why not just get a single raptor and a single 12 or 160Gb drive, or get 2x 120Gb drives and run a raid 0
    what brand is the power supply? you will need a quality one to run a system like that.
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    Way too much HDD space.. If you're going to spend that much money just for RAID you should get dual 74GB Raptors and put them in RAID 1 or RAID 0. If you want more space, get those Maxtors but don't waste them on RAID 5. Maybe get four and have two seperate RAID arrays with each of them.

    Don't get an LCD. CRTs are usually better for gaming.

    Get PC3500 CAS2 RAM. Preferably a GB. Get two sticks for dual channel.

    Make sure you wait until socket 939 motherboards and processors come out. It shouldn't be more than a few weeks. They allow dual channel RAM with regular Athlon 64s (normally only FXs can handle dual channel). Also, try to get a motherboard with Nforce 3 250 (most important), Gigabit ethernet, built-in SATA (preferably Nvidia), and dual-channel support.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    Way too much HDD space.. If you're going to spend that much money just for RAID you should get dual 74GB Raptors and put them in RAID 1 or RAID 0. If you want more space, get those Maxtors but don't waste them on RAID 5. Maybe get four and have two seperate RAID arrays with each of them.

    Don't get an LCD. CRTs are usually better for gaming.

    Get PC3500 CAS2 RAM. Preferably a GB. Get two sticks for dual channel.

    Make sure you wait until socket 939 motherboards and processors come out. It shouldn't be more than a few weeks. They allow dual channel RAM with regular Athlon 64s (normally only FXs can handle dual channel). Also, try to get a motherboard with Nforce 3 250 (most important), Gigabit ethernet, built-in SATA (preferably Nvidia), and dual-channel support.
    I knew I was going to get critics on my HDD setup ;)
    Yes, I do need all the space, I download ****loads of Anime and have a bunch of games installed which of course take up a lot of HDD space
    In my current PC I have 2x 120GB non-RAID which are almost full
    Therefor, dual Raptors wouldnt be enough space
    1 36GB raptor (windows drive) and 2x Maxtor RAID0 160GB would be best then?

    The memory: I would love to get those sticks...but I'd have to get them in another store then
    I already have to buy everything in 2 different stores...I wanna try to narrow that as much as possible

    I already read 939 mobos are coming out soon...what I know about where I live (NL) is that it often takes some time before new products are for sale :(

    I know LCDs are better for gaming...just wont fit on my desk anymore
    I have an Acer 717 atm which is 25ms, no problems with that, dont suppost the next one wont give any problems either

    The mobo, I chose this one as it has RAID 5 support...If I'm not going to use it I'll take an NVidia chispet anyway
    if 939 mobos+CPUs are out next month I'll go with that, at least I wanna know then WHEN they come out

    The videocard...I just saw the X800 PRO is out...woooohoooo, also inclused a crappy webcam, gonna sell that one :P

    have to see what this is gonna cost me...hopefully I'll get another 6 months contract (current one ends 5th next month)...otherwise I'm not even gonna buy this

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    the PSU delivered with the system is going into my old rig, I got a 450W Levicom dual blue led PSU which is going into the new setup
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    You understand how RAID, works, right? If you buy three 160GB and put them in RAID 5, you only get to use 160GB for storage. If you need that much space, Get two 120GB-200GB 7200RPM HDDs for RAID and storage, along with two 36.7GB Raptors for RAID, applications, games, and OS. Or get the 74GB Raptor if you need the extra 30GB (if you have a lot of programs or something). If it's affordable, two 74GB Raptors in RAID for programs and such along with two 250GB 7200RPM HDDs in RAID for storage would be best for you.

    Wherever your shopping probably has PC3500 RAM. It would really be best to get PC3500 isntead of PC3200....

    Look at this for more information on socket 939 motherboards:
    http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1985
    The 3500+ and 3800+ are due this month, so even if they are late you shouldn't have to wait more than a month.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    You understand how RAID, works, right? If you buy three 160GB and put them in RAID 5, you only get to use 160GB for storage. If you need that much space, Get two 120GB-200GB 7200RPM HDDs for RAID and storage, along with two 36.7GB Raptors for RAID, applications, games, and OS. Or get the 74GB Raptor if you need the extra 30GB (if you have a lot of programs or something). If it's affordable, two 74GB Raptors in RAID for programs and such along with two 250GB 7200RPM HDDs in RAID for storage would be best for you.

    Wherever your shopping probably has PC3500 RAM. It would really be best to get PC3500 isntead of PC3200....

    Look at this for more information on socket 939 motherboards:
    http://www.anandtech.com/cpu/showdoc.html?i=1985
    The 3500+ and 3800+ are due this month, so even if they are late you shouldn't have to wait more than a month.
    that...I must disagree ;)
    dunno if you understand Dutch...but here's a part from tweakers.net:

    Het verdelen van de parity over de aanwezige drivers levert uiteraard verlies op van de beschikbare opslagcapaciteit. Bij een configuratie met drie schijven bedraagt de overhead 33 procent, bij vijf schijven is de overhead 20 procent en bij zeven schijven is de overhead 14 procent. Vooral bij de grotere arrays is RAID 5 veel efficiënter dan RAID 1 en RAID 10. Dankzij de hoge betrouwbaarheid, goede performance en lage overhead is RAID 5 heden ten dage de meest toegepaste RAID-implementatie in professionele systemen

    a loss of 33% would be 1 disk, not 2
    someting like:
    1+2=3
    disk 2 fail, then controller will see: 3-1=2
    disk 1 fails, then controller will see: 3-1=1 and is still able to use all data :)

    waiting for 939 doesnt seem to be a problem with the info given (my thx for the link:))
    I really have to think about the extra money for a second 36GB raptor, maybe I'll buy a second one later and use 1 first with the 2 160GBs

    both places do have 3500 RAM...but not CL2, they got CL3 only...in a month I'll see what I can do about that
    thx for the input all :thumb:
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    I'm not exactly sure what you're trying to disagree with.. Maybe you just misunderstood me. for more information on RAID, go here:
    http://www.uni-mainz.de/~neuffer/scsi/what_is_raid.html

    RAID 5 is pretty much uneccessary anyway.

    Try to get at least CAS 2.5 RAM. You should be able to run most CAS 2.5 at CAS2, but I wouldn't say the same for CAS 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    You understand how RAID, works, right? If you buy three 160GB and put them in RAID 5, you only get to use 160GB for storage.
    actually, only about this part,
    you get to use 2 disks for storage, not 1 :)

    for most ppl RAID5 would indeed be overkill, on the other hand...I would be really really unhappy if I lose all my data because one of the HDDs fail

    Thx for all the info again, I'll see to the memory issue next month
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