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Thread: A Fresh Start...Load me up?




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    Default Building a new computer... Right choices?

    Whats up guys... im new to the board! So hi... I was wanting some opinions... I am currently getting a new computer but im freaking stuck on what i should get... I am a athlon guy, but i was wanting to try out intel. I dont think i can do it tho.. heres what i have laid out for the intel system! These are just the core components, i have all that extra stuff (dvd burners and so on)
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    ABIT "IC7-G MAXII ADVANCE" i875P Chipset Motherboard for Intel Socket 478 CPU
    Model# IC7-G MAXII $132
    Specifications:
    Supported CPU: Intel Pentium 4 (Prescott and Northwood) Processors
    Chipset: Intel 875P + ICH5R
    FSB: 800/533MHz
    RAM: 4x DIMM support Dual-Channel DDR400 Max 4GB(ECC)
    IDE: 2x ATA 100 up to 4 Devices
    Slots: 1x AGP Pro 8X/4X(0.8/1.5V), 5x PCI
    Ports: 2xPS/2,1xLPT,1xCOM,SPDIF In/Out,3xIEEE1394a(Rear 1),8xUSB2.0(Rear 4),1xLAN,Audio Ports
    Onboard Audio: 6-Channel AC97 Codec
    Onboard LAN: Intel PRO/1000 Gigabit Ethernet
    Onboard SATA/RAID: 4x Serial ATA, RAID 0/1
    Onboard 1394: 3 Ports

    Intel Pentium 4/ 3.2C GHz 800MHz FSB, 512K Cache, Hyper Threading Technology
    Model# BX80532PG3200D $265
    Specifications:
    Model: Intel Pentium 4 w/ Hyper Threading
    Core: Northwood
    Operating Frequency: 3.2GHz
    FSB: 800MHz
    Cache: L1/12K+8K; L2/512K
    Voltage: 1.55V
    Process: 0.13Micron
    Socket: Socket 478
    Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2
    Warranty: 3-year MFG

    Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200
    Model# TWINX1024-3200C2PT $224
    Specifications:
    Manufacturer: Corsair
    Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
    Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
    Error Checking: Non-ECC
    Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
    Cas Latency: 2-3-3-6 T1
    Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
    Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
    Special Features: With Platinum Heat Spreader
    Warranty: Lifetime

    ATI RADEON 9800 PRO Video Card, 256MB DDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP
    Model# 100-435105 $265
    Specifications:
    Chipset: ATI RADEON 9800 PRO
    Memory: 256MB DDR
    BUS: AGP 8X
    Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub)+TV-Out(S-Video)+DVI connector
    Support 3D API: DirectX®9, OpenGL®2.0
    Cable/Accessories: 2 Cables, 2 Adapters, 1 CD, Manual
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    But i am not sure if i wanna do it, as for the athlon system i would get..
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    AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor - OEM
    Model# ADA3400AEP5AP $305
    Specifications:
    Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
    Core: ClawHammer
    Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
    FSB: Integrated into Chip
    Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
    Voltage: 1.5V
    Process: 0.13Micron
    Socket: Socket 754
    Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
    Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)

    ASUS "K8N-E Deluxe" NVIDIA nForce3 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 754 CPU -RETAIL
    Model# K8N-E DELUXE $137
    Specifications:
    Supported CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor
    Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
    FSB: 800 MHz
    RAM: 3x DIMM Supports DDR266/333/400 Max 3GB
    Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
    Ports: 2x PS/2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 8x USB2.0(Rear 4), 1x IEEE1394, 1xRJ45, 1x S/PDIF Out, Audio Ports
    IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
    Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x SATA RAID with 0,1,0+1 by South Bridge, 4x SATA RAID with 0,1,1+0,5 by Sil 3114
    Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850(8-Ch)
    Onboard LAN: 1000 BASE-T Ethernet
    Onboard 1394: 2x ports by VIA VT6307
    Form Factor: ATX


    Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200
    Model# TWINX1024-3200C2PT $224
    Specifications:
    Manufacturer: Corsair
    Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
    Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
    Error Checking: Non-ECC
    Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
    Cas Latency: 2-3-3-6 T1
    Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
    Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
    Special Features: With Platinum Heat Spreader
    Warranty: Lifetime


    I want to get a nvidia 256mb card still deciding whom i should buy it from(brand), If you have any good recommendations on a card that would be great.. Also feedback on which system you would get and if i should make any adjustments to any product on that... <I most likely will get the athlon system, so more feedback on that> also cooling systems?? WATER?? polarflow?<AS of now im leaning towards Athlon>
    Last edited by SiKNiZ; 09-17-2004 at 08:05 AM.

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    You don't want to try out Intel. AMD has better bang-for-buck processors.

    Try this:
    Corsair XMS PC3200 x 2 - $224
    eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800GT - $389 or get it with Doom 3 for $419
    MSI K8N Neo Platinum -$126
    OEM Athlon 64 3400 -$305
    Thermaltake Venus 12 -$34.99; it's an OEM CPU so you need this; it will be cooler and actually won't cost any more than just getting a retail CPU with an AMD heatsink
    Arctic Silver 5 -$7.59; you'll need this on top of the cooler

    You could get a regular GeForce 6800 to save some money. It's a bit slower than the GT and has less RAM, which means a lot in certain games (Doom 3, mainly), but will mean nothing in others. It does save $100...

    Another way to save money would be to get some Kingmax PC3500 RAM instead of that Corsair. It will run at higher speeds at the cost of timings. It also saves almost $60 (assuming you get 1GB).

    You could cut the price by getting a Chaintech VNF3-250 instead of the MSI motherboard. It will perform and overclock just as well, but has less features (Which you may not even use). It costs over $40 less.

    You can always cut the cooler and drop to a cheaper Athlon 64.
    Athlon 64 2800 -$144
    Athlon 64 3000 -$173
    Athlon 64 3200 -$207

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    The processor and ram i am pretty firm on, unless some amazing deal comes out soon.. As for MSI i havent heard much of them and was more of a ASUS ABIT guy, any suggestions in them for a mobo.. I was looking around for some cheap HSF for the cpu found this one...http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...108-038&depa=0 or http://www.newegg.com/app/Showimage....106-044-08.jpggive me an opinion on it..Good choice on the gfx card, i didnt want to go much higher on money, but i hear magnificant things about it ;)... i like corsair, what do u suggest for a power supply i was looking at this... http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...148-008&depa=0 also the case i am getting is the aspire dreamer II,, i just want a simple case, my last ones huge custom built antec dual window fan 120fan on top... so i wanted to get a smaller one
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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    The CPU and RAM are just options, I listed the same CPU and RAM you did. But the RAM is an amazing deal. With the more expensive Corsair, you'll be paying $60 for maybe 2-5 frames per second in a game, depending on the game...

    The HSF I found is cheaper and better... If you want something cheaper, this ought to do...

    The Aspire should be enough for this system.

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    Im all for the price i would even go with the two i chose...

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    Quote Originally Posted by SiKNiZ
    Im all for the price i would even go with the two i chose...
    I'm not even sure what you are referring to with this post...

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    Ok heres the results: What you think?

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    AMD Athlon 64 3400+, 1MB L2 Cache, 64-bit Processor
    Model# ADA3400AEP5AP $305

    Specifications:
    Model: AMD Athlon 64 3400+
    Core: ClawHammer
    Operating Frequency: 2.2GHz
    FSB: Integrated into Chip
    Cache: L1/64K+64K; L2/1MB
    Voltage: 1.5V
    Process: 0.13Micron
    Socket: Socket 754
    Multimedia Instruction: MMX, SSE, SSE2, 3DNOW!, 3DNOW!+
    Packaging: OEM(Processor Only)



    ASUS "K8N-E Deluxe" NVIDIA nForce3 Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 754 CPU
    Model# K8N-E DELUXE $137

    Specifications:
    Supported CPU: AMD Athlon 64 Processor
    Chipset: NVIDIA nForce3 250Gb
    FSB: 800 MHz
    RAM: 3x DIMM Supports DDR266/333/400 Max 3GB
    Slots: 1x AGP 8X/4X, 5x PCI
    Ports: 2x PS/2, 1x COM, 1x LPT, 8x USB2.0(Rear 4), 1x IEEE1394, 1xRJ45, 1x S/PDIF Out, Audio Ports
    IDE: 2x ATA 133 up to 4 Devices
    Onboard SATA/RAID: 2x SATA RAID with 0,1,0+1 by South Bridge, 4x SATA RAID with 0,1,1+0,5 by Sil 3114
    Onboard Audio: Realtek ALC850(8-Ch)
    Onboard LAN: 1000 BASE-T Ethernet
    Onboard 1394: 2x ports by VIA VT6307
    Form Factor: ATX



    Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200
    Model# TWINX1024-3200C2PT $224

    Specifications:
    Manufacturer: Corsair
    Speed: DDR400(PC3200)
    Type: 184 Pin DDR SDRAM
    Error Checking: Non-ECC
    Registered/Unbuffered: Unbuffered
    Cas Latency: 2-3-3-6 T1
    Bandwidth: 3.2GB/s
    Organization: two 64M x 64 -Bit
    Special Features: With Platinum Heat Spreader
    Warranty: Lifetime


    eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800GT Video Card, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP, Model "256-A8-N344-AX"
    Model# 256-A8-N344-AX $389

    Specifications:
    Chipset/Core Speed: nVIDIA GeForce 6800GT/350MHz
    Memory/Effective Speed: 256MB GDDR3/1GHz
    BUS: AGP 4X/8X
    Ports: VGA Out(15 Pin D-Sub) + TV-Out (S-Video) + DVI
    Support 3D API: DirectX 9, OpenGL 1.5
    Max Resolution@32bit Color: 2048X1536@60Hz
    Cable/Accessories: Manual, 2x DVI to VGA Adapters, FARCRY
    Retail Box (See pics for details)


    Thermaltake SilentTower 4 in 1 CPU Cooler for Intel P4 478 & Socket T, AMD K7 & K8,
    with Heatpipe Cooling, Model "CL-P0025"
    Model# CL-P0025 $45

    Specifications:
    Compatibility: Intel P4 Socket T, Intel P4 478 up to 3.2GHz, AMD Athlon 64 / Athlon 64 FX, AMD Athlon XP up to 3400+
    Dimensions: 86x80x138mm (59 fins)
    Material: Copper Base & Aluminum Fin
    Heatpipe: Copper Tube ( F6 mm) x 3pcs
    Fan Dimensions: 90x90x25mm
    Bearing Type: 1 Ball, 1 Sleeve
    Fan Speed(RPM): 2500 ±10%
    Max Air Flow(CFM): 52.24
    Rated Voltage: 12V
    Connector: 3 Pin

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------The only thing left to pick out is a power supply any suggestions for this beast computer?

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    Stop posting the specifications... It's just annoying and doesn't help me.

    Change the motherboard like I told you... The MSI K8N Neo Platinum is better and cheaper.

    That HSF will be good. Not as powerful as the Venus 12, but it should be quiet.

    This ought to be a good PSU.

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    I will go with the mobo you suggested, i havent heard much on them tho... On the HSF why is the venus more powerful? Im throwing two fans on that one? I would be willing to pay for water cooling under 125$ Also on the motherboard chipset should i take off the factory one and upgrade? (suggestions once again) thanks alot for everything Your making my life so much easier!
    Last edited by SiKNiZ; 09-17-2004 at 09:34 AM.

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    Default Re: A Fresh Start...Load me up?

    The Thermaltake Venus 12 gives more airflow andis made of the same material, so it should be more poweful. The SilentTower is, well, silent. The Venus 12 might get loud at times.

    If you want to read more on that motherboard, this article will tell you all you need. The Epox 8KDA3+ is another good option, but it's a lot more expensive due to features you probably won't use.
    Quote Originally Posted by SiKNiz[/quote
    Also on the motherboard chip should i take off the factory one and upgrade?
    Not even sure what you mean... Do you mean putting a seprate HSF on the chipset? Don't bother...

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