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    Default Re: need help bulding a pc from scratch

    The picture is hardly better, and you'll regret having an LCD if you play games and get high framerates (which you will). Just do some quick Google searches if you really want to know all the differences. I'm fairly certain that you'd be happier with a CRT. Make sure you get one with an optimal resolution of 1600x1200 or greater and a refresh rate of 72HTz or better.

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    you have this video card without doom three with a refresh rate of 85 hz for the same price, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...133-116&depa=1, you then have the one you showed me with doom three with a refresh rate of 75hz, then you have this, http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...119-144&depa=1, one for $390, with another different company without doom three, which is better.
    im pretty well sold on the power supply you showed me, i wanted somethign more powerful but this one seems like it should do the trick.
    this is the monitor im looking at http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-229&depa=0, crt of course now. and this one http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-232&depa=0. which are both basically the same monitor except one has an 18" viewable display and the otehr a 20". i have a 19" tv would one inch really make that big of a differnce to pay the extra near 200 bucks for?
    and i also like your idea of the hard drives, 3 200gb segates, saves a hundred bucks too. i might even add the fourth.
    considering i live in a small town in kentucky it will be hard for me to find a floppy that is cheaper then that without having to drive for an hour. but ill look.
    and i like your memory option im not for sure if i want to go with the two stick or four sticks of cosair, all depends on the money.
    and where is the xaser case with teh thermaltake power supply? i did a little searching (not much) and didnt see it.
    what is exactly Arctic Silver 5, how often do you ahve to apply it im guessing once, how much of a difference does it make in cooling, how much do you use, is there any right way to put it on there. i know nothign about it. i like you venus 12, will that work for video cards too, im guessing not, any suggestions for one.
    i still plan on gettign the 3800.
    and if it were you would you buy xp from the site i posted?
    and im glad to know my computer should last for several years. im hoping somone else can help me with the cd/dvd drives/burners and the speakers. and im guessing i should prolly buy that tv tuner at newegg for i think if i remember right $115
    and the thermaltake venus 12 is $30 and the 5cc of arctic silver 4 is $13 both at newegg.
    and one last thing do you have any good ideas on a lifetime subscription to an antivirus program? renewing norton gets old
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    Don't worry about the refresh rates listed on the cards. That's if you're running at 2048X1536, which you probably won't even do (maybe with Half-Lfie 2, if you get it, or with older games that support it). I'd say get the Doom 3 one as it is a pretty good deal.

    There really isn't anything cheaper you'd get that's as high-quality for stock performance. I'd suggest you get two or three sticks. Even with video encoding, you'll rarely need more than 1GB, and almost never more than 1.5GB. I think three sticks would prevent you from running them in dual-channel mode, but that means a pretty insignificant performance loss on an Athlon 64 system. I'll bet you'd be happy with just two sticks, which aren't too rediculously expensive and wil perform amazingly well.

    Arctic Silver 5 is a thermal compound that fills the cracks between a heatsink/fan unit and processor die. It makes a huge difference over cooling, and can means anywhere from 3 to 12 degress celcius less when you replace other substances with it. You'll want thesse instructions when you apply. Make sure you have 99% pure isopropyl alcohol lying around, or get it at your local drug store. Anything over 90% will do, if that's all you can find.

    By going to Newegg and clicking shop by catagory, you can look at cases and search for ones produced by Thermaltake. It turns out none of them have PSUs with wattage greater than 420W, so stick with that 480W. If you want a different case, there are a llot of nice choices from Thermaltake and many other companies. Using Newegg's search features, you could actually make sure they all have the exact number of USB ports, firewire ports, etc. that your motherboard has.

    The more expensive monitor also has nicer dot pitch, but I think you'll be more than happy with that $250 one. Hell, my only complaint with the thing in front of me is its max resolution of 1280x1024, and it was worse specs in every other area compared to the two you found.

    The Thermaltake Venus line isn't meant for video cards, but you could either mod your video card to fit one (involves drilling the card and isnt' something I'd try) or you could look for a VGA cooler (they've got a section for them at Newegg) meant for the GeForce 6800GT. Or, you could just look for an Ultra, which comes with excessive cooling.

    Personally, I wouldn't buy XP at all, if you know what I mean. Whether or not you are going to trust that site is up to you. The fact that it costs almost three times as much for the exact same OEM copy at Newegg is what I don't trust. Even OEMs (Gateway, HP, Dell) charge more, and they get it really cheap. Even Academic versions usually cost more. The site may be legitimate, but I have trouble believing that without someone having said they used it.

    Well, I love my Symantec Antivirus Corporate Edition, and it doesn't need any sort of subscription. However, you can't simply go out and buy a license; you get Norton CE products through a corporate or goverment job, generally. I've heard good things about McAfee's single-user version (I wouldn't touch regular Norton), but I don't know how it works with the subscriptions. You could just get the free version of AVG (I believe the link is in my signature), which is almost as good as Norton in most respects (better in some) and won't require a subscription, ever. The pay version probably doesn't either, but I don't know that paying for it even adds any useful features.

    In the long run, though, you need to develope skills to deal with viruses. No program will ever come close to dealing with a lot of the threats out there, and it's pretty much impossible for the programs themselves to remove most serious viruses, once they've infected the computer. An antivirus program is more of an antibody than an actual medicine. In a related topic, you should get yourself a hardwire firewall if you don't have one. A router will do this (most will, anyway), and a router will also give you the ability to share your current Internet between your computers, once you get the new one. That's assuming you don't have one...

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    the only thing im worried about with the monitor is the fact that im goign from a 19" inch tv to a 18" monitor. im goign to be sitting around ten foot away from the thing and i dont want the size to hurt me any.
    okay, the video card with doom three.
    and ill start out with 2 512 sticks of cosair with always the possibility of upgrading.
    and i think i wont modd my card, the one with doom three is good enough for me.
    and can you link me to a site that can show me how to deal with viruses? plus any good firewalls and other software that would be very useful in protecting my computer. and i will be looking to share my internet connection between two computers, through a room a hall and another room. ill figure that out later though.
    ive worked on old and i mean old ibms and optiplexes, are there any percautions i need to take when building this pc, i know i need a static gaurd. but other then that are there any?
    and i dont own a credit card and am 17 and neither do my parents what would be the best way to order these parts?

    EDIT: i would personally like to wait until i found a nice set of speakers for my computer before i bought stuff though that way i could buy it all at once, although it wouldnt kill me to wait, im pretty sure my cd/dvd burner is a good one, and most of the stuff im buying from newegg. im still not for sure if i should spend three times as much for xp from newegg or take a chance with the cheap place. i probably will switch my processor to newegg. and switching the floppy there is not a big deal at all.
    three things not decided completly yet with help:
    monitor
    speakers
    dvd/cd burner/drive
    Last edited by sjones; 10-05-2004 at 03:17 PM.

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    Don't know of any sites or good guides... As you get viruses, you'll learn how to deal with them, assuming you do get them. Zone Alarm (in my signature, I think) is a good firewall program (better than XP's built-in one), but once you get a router it has very limited use and is more annoying than helpful.

    I think you've actually chose a prerty good monitor. I was considering getting that for myself, if I ever get any money.

    Without doing too muc reasearch, these look like good choices for surround sound, depending on how much you want to spend:
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-142&depa=0
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-140&depa=0
    http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...121-115&depa=0

    I'm pretty sure they'll all work with the MSI K8N's onboard pretty well. If not, there are plenty of good third-party PCI sound cards that can be had for cheap.

    You should be able to pay with a checking account or any sort of bank account, if I remember. You can also pay with a PayPal account, although I think you might need a credit card just to get money into that. I think any checking account will do it.

    For convenience, a secondary CD-ROM or DVD-ROM drive would be a great idea. It's particularly conveneient for copying DVDs and CDs, along with the fact that you can get faster read times on non-burners.
    This would be a good DVD drive, or just get this if you're happy with your secondary drive being just a CD-ROM (it's a bit faster than the DVD drive for reading CDs).

    I think once your set on everything but the DVD Burner, you should order.

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    my components so far:
    mboard: MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...130-468&depa=1 $138
    processor: AMD Athlon 64 3800+, Socket 939, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - OEM http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-462&depa=1 $609
    floppy: Mitsumi 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model D359M3, OEM http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...103-104&depa=1 $10
    cd/dvd read: undecided (switching almost everything to newegg)
    keyboard: Logitech Elite Keyboard USB/ PS/2 104keys -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...126-114&depa=0 $29
    mouse: Logitech Laser Cordless Mouse (Blue/Black), Model "MX1000 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...104-158&depa=0 $78
    2x cd/dvd burner: NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Silver, Model ND-3500A S W/SW, OEM with software http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...152-030&depa=1 $77
    3x hard drive: Seagate 200GB 7200RPM Barracuda 7200.7 SATA Hard Drive, Model ST3200822AS, OEM Drive Only http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...148-033&depa=1 $115 each
    case: ASPIRE X-Navigator Black/Blue ATX Mid-Tower Case with side window and 450W Power Supply, Model"ATXA9NW-BL/450" http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...144-084&depa=1 $92
    speakers: undecided
    xp pro: undecided
    video card: EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card With Free Doom 3Bundle, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "256-A8-N349-AX http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...130-208&depa=0 $405
    cpu fan: Thermaltake Venus 12 CPU Cooler For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64, Model "A1744" http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-038&depa=1 $30
    adhesive compound for cpu fan:
    tv tuner: AVerMedia PCI FM/TV Tuner Card, REMOTE, Model "UltraTV™ Media Center PCI 550 " -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...100-124&depa=1 $134
    2x ram: CORSAIR XMS, Xtra-Low Latency 2-2-2-5, 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 w/ Platinum Heat Spreader, Model CMX512-3200XLPT http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...145-521&depa=0 $135 each
    monitor: undecided
    psu: Thermaltake W0010 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...153-009&depa=0 $66.5
    question does a read speed of 16x dvd-rom mean it can read dvd-rw,dvd+rw,dvd-r,dvd+r?
    total: $2360.50

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    so your going to get the 18" monitor, its alot cheaper and id say thats what ill go for, im still concerned about your drive reading dvd+- rw/r, and i personally like the two creative labs and i would like the wireless remote but is it really worth the $400 bucks for it, and im sure it would sound better then the cheap $90 one which is the one i orginally picked out myself but was told against it becuase of its low wattage. still unsure. thanks again.

    EDIT:
    with the 18" monitor my new price is $2610.5

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    A read speed of 16X is just how fast it reads. It should read any DVD with data on it. The write speeds are how fast it will burn all of those.

    The only thing I've got to wonder about is the TV tuner. It got a poor rating at Newegg. If you've done some research reagarding it and have found it to be good, then go for it, because I have nothing but Newegg user ratings to go by. On the other hand, this one is much cheaper and clearly has a lot of happy users (623 voters for a Newegg product is a lot), but it's out of stock at the moment. But I haven't really studied the subject much...

    Other than that, it looks like it will be a great system. Games will be amazing on this thing, not to be mention all the other stuff you can do with a DVD burner and a TV tuner.

    Edit: Any DVD-ROM drive should read any DVD with information on it. But you could just get two burners, instead...

    The $400 speakers are basically louder with a larger range of frequency response. I have no idea how much better it will really sound. I'm fairly happy with just basic speakers, so I don't know if the difference between surround osund speakers and really expensive surround sound speakers is very pronounced. I can tell you that the users of both are very happy, but whether or not it's worth it is up to you. Personally (and this might be just me), I'd probably rather throw a couple inches to the viewable area of my monitor than to go from really awesome sound to even better sound. Actually, I'd probably just save my money and go with the cheaper set. I have trouble believing anyone could be unhappy with a $90 set of surround sound speakers, but then I'm not really positive.
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    i am already getting two cd/dvd burners, and id like to get an acutal cd/dvd read drive becuase the read times are faster and that would make a difference when playing a game from a cd or watching a movie on dvd, wouldnt it? not for sure myself.
    the tv tuner card, my mboard only supports 4x,8x, will that affect this decision the tuner you showed me needed a pci 2.1 compliant slot. and i want a good tv tuners, i dont know that much about them but i do want a good one, and one with a rca conectors woudl be nice if possible, but im more concerned about the coax conector. i do really want a good one cuz this is the primary reason i first started to build this machine, so if it dosent do a good job ill be really unhappy.
    ill prolly go with the $90 speakers even though it has a wired remote, which stinks, but i was looking at them myself earlier and was persuaded against it becuase of the low voltage. if you happen to run across good speakers with a wireless remote control let me know.
    i just finished going through new egg, these are the cards i saw that i liked, including yours:
    Leadtek PCI TV/FM Tuner Card, REMOTE, Model "WinFast TV2000 XP Deluxe" -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...122-132&depa=1
    Prolink PCI TV/FM Tuner, MPEG2 TV Capture Card, Model "PixelView PlayTV MPEG 2(PV-M4900 FM.RC)" -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...144-306&depa=1
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...144-307&depa=1 Prolink PCI TV/FM Tuner Card, Model "PixelView PlayTV Pro Ultra(PV-TV304P+ FM.RC)" -RETAIL
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...160-017&depa=1 Compro PCI TV Tuner Card, REMOTE, Model "VideoMate TV Gold Plus" -RETAIL
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-606&depa=1 Hauppauge PCI TV/FM Tuner Card, Model "WinTV-dbx(WINTV401)" -RETAIL
    Leadtek PCI TV/FM Tuner Card, REMOTE, Model "WinFast TV2000 XP Deluxe" -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...122-132&depa=1
    tell me if you find one that you think is better or tell me which you think is best out of them.

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    The CD drive I found will be faster, but the plain DVD drive won't be much faster, if at all. Getting the CD drive might help with loading times on games that need the CD in when you play. I had assumed you were only getting one burner. If you're getting two, I guess you might consider a CD drive, but that's it.

    The users of this one seemed fairly happy with the picture when using the coax connector, but I really can't speak from experience. If it really isn't good enough, you could return it and get something else.

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