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    Default Re: need help bulding a pc from scratch

    you can return stuff at newegg just becuase you didnt like it, new to me, and i had always planned on getting two cd/dvd burners, but if i just get a cd read drive then i wouldnt be able to burn copies of a dvd or a cd two at a time, which who knows if i ever will but just in case. Also, newegg has a cd dvd drive that is 16x and 52x its at: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...136-039&depa=0
    which is almost as good as the fastest 56x cd read drives, but there are more options with a 52x speed on a cd read only drive. is there anythign wrong with the drive above? if there is any reason why i shouldnt buy it let me know. cuz it is overall the better drive.

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    Looks good. I can't say I've heard of the brand, but it's worth a shot. And yeah, with Newegg most items can be returned for money back or exchanged for something else. If it says "Can only be returned for item of exact same make/model," then it can't be returned. Shipping fees always apply, though, so a return is still lost money.

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    im still unsure about the speakers and where to buy xp pro, and im goign with your tv tuner card, and the 18" monitor. im going with my cd/dvd read drive. the tuner card said i needed a pci 2.1 compliant slot, that wont affect anything i mean my motherboard can support it. the only bad thing about the speakers is the wired remote. if it wasnt for that i would have no complaints with them. and i dont think i wireless remote is worth the extra 300+ dollars.

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    This set of speakers was recommended by the latest Anandtech buyer's guide (which I seem to give similar advice as, before they even come out) for entry-level systems (although this isn't entry-level, they're still good speakers):
    If it seems like almost every Guide that we have written lately includes these speakers as an option, just consider that a sign of their quality. There may be competing speaker setups from other companies, but we have yet to find one that can match the price and quality of the Z-640s. Even Logitech has come out with several new inexpensive 5.1 setups that cannot beat them. There are better sounding speakers out there, but they typically cost three times as much, if not more. These speakers can get plenty loud, and we can personally attest to the fact that they work well while playing games and watching movies. Some of us have even chosen to forgo expensive stereo components and just stick with these on our entertainment system. The only thing that they really lack is a remote control, but that's just us being greedy.
    I'd say if you don't care about the remote, get those. For another $170 or so, these are good and come with a wireless remote.

    Edit: Also, I've been doing some more research on memory lately. For the best performance at DDR400 speeds (which is what you'll be at if you don't overclock at all), this OCd would be worth the extra $10 or $15 over the Corsair. For the best memory performance possible (meaning osme overclocking), though, a couple sticks of this would be great. It will reach 2-2-2 timings on that motherboard (the MSI K8n Neo2 Platinum) at DDR433 speeds (which is some pretty light overclocking and you'll be able to do it easily) for the best possible memory performance. I would strongly recommend you do that. It's not that expensive (only $6 more than what you're going for), and it's the best option currently out there. It won't take much effort to simply overclock it and run it at those timings either (so don't worry about inexperience; you'll figure it out without problems).
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    Default Re: need help bulding a pc from scratch

    whats the big difference in the memory your showing me knwo and the memory we picked out before, the timings on the overclocking memory you just showed me are worse starting out. and i seem to like your $250 dollar speakers more then the others. what about http://www.tigerdirect.com/applicati...Tab=0&NoMapp=0 power supply, its seems to be a good one and its 600watts, tigerdirect a pretty good site from what ive heard.

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    my computer as of now:

    mboard: MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard For AMD Socket 939 CPU http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-130-468&depa=1
    $138

    processor: AMD Athlon 64 3800+, Socket 939, 512KB L2 Cache 64-bit Processor - OEM http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-103-462&depa=1 $609

    floppy: Mitsumi 1.44MB 3.5Inch Floppy Disk Drive, Model D359M3, OEM http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-103-104&depa=1
    $10

    cd/dvd read: http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...136-039&depa=0 LG Electronics 16X DVD-ROM, Model GDR-8163B, RETAIL
    $27

    keyboard: Logitech Elite Keyboard USB/ PS/2 104keys -RETAIL http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-126-114&depa=0
    $29

    mouse: Logitech Laser Cordless Mouse (Blue/Black), Model "MX1000 http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-104-158&depa=0
    $78

    2x cd/dvd burner: NEC 16X Double Layer DVD±RW Drive, Silver, Model ND-3500A S W/SW, OEM with software http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-152-030&depa=1
    $77 each ($144)

    3x hard drive: Seagate 200GB 7200RPM Barracuda 7200.7 SATA Hard Drive, Model ST3200822AS, OEM Drive Only http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-148-033&depa=1
    $115 each ($345)

    case: ASPIRE X-Navigator Black/Blue ATX Mid-Tower Case with side window and 450W Power Supply, Model"ATXA9NW-BL/450" http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProdu...-144-084&depa=1
    $92

    speakers: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...121-105&depa=0 Logitech THX Certified Z-680 5.1 Speaker 500Watt Silver -RETAIL
    $225

    xp pro: Microsoft Windows XP Professional with Service Pack SP1a - OEM
    http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...102-143&depa=6
    $141 unless i can get it cheaper through school.

    video card: EVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 GT Video Card With Free Doom 3Bundle, 256MB GDDR3, 256-Bit, TV-Out/DVI, 8X AGP, Model "256-A8-N349-AX http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-130-208&depa=0
    $405

    cpu fan: Thermaltake Venus 12 CPU Cooler For AMD Opteron and Athlon 64, Model "A1744" http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-106-038&depa=1 $30

    adhesive compound for cpu fan: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...100-007&depa=0 Arctic Silver Premium Silver Polysynthetic Silver Thermal Compound, Model "Arctic Silver 5", 3.5-gram( 1 cc. ) tube
    $11.98

    tv tuner: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...122-132&depa=1 Leadtek PCI TV/FM Tuner Card, REMOTE, Model "WinFast TV2000 XP Deluxe" -RETAIL
    $48

    2x ram: CORSAIR XMS, Xtra-Low Latency 2-2-2-5, 184-Pin 512MB DDR PC-3200 w/ Platinum Heat Spreader, Model CMX512-3200XLPT http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-145-521&depa=0
    $135 each ($270)

    monitor: http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...116-232&depa=0 ViewSonic P95F+B 19" PerfectFlat CRT Monitor –RETAIL $250

    psu: Thermaltake W0010 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan Power Supply http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProdu...-153-009&depa=0
    $66.5

    total: $2919.48

    is there anything at all that i am forgeting or should add, if there is let me know, im curious to see about the memory you told me about and why it is better. and ill make changes accordingly. and, since my motherboard supports 8 ch sound will it be able to drop to 5.1 ch sound. also pci 2.1 is like pci 2x right or is it 8x, not for sure ive been told before but cant remember, cuz the tv tuner supports pci 2.1. thanks again.<!-- / message -->
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    The Crucial I chose will run at DDR433 speeds at 2-2-2 timings, and will perform better than any other memory on the market. The OCZ will perform best if you just leave the memory at DDR400. You can't go by timings alone when it comes to RAM; different RAM modules with the same timings at the same rated speed can still perform differently.

    Your motherboard will work with the sound just fine, as it will with the PCI card.

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    so ill change my memory. im also guessing that you didnt think the power supply i showed you earlier was any good which is why you negleted to say anythign about it. other then that i should be good to go, im not going to be buying for probably another week or two so let me know something more if you found out something in the next two weeks. thanks again. my total: $2,927.48 without shipping but i can handle that.

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    I haven't heard great things about Tiger Direct (not too much bad stuff, though). I just forgot. I don't think I've heard of "Premium," either. When it comes to power supplies, I'll rarely say anything other than Thermaltake or Antec, as Antec tends to have the highest quality (but has problems with socket 939 systems so don't go there) and Thermaltake tends to have the best bang-for-buck (good quality, good cooling, quiet, cheap).

    If you wanted to go cheaper, I'd say start with the case. I'm sure it's a great case, and go for what you like, but there are good cases for under $30, and some high-quality ones for under $50. The trick is to get one without a PSU. Or, you could just sell the PSU. It also wouldn't be completely stupid to go for an Athlon 64 3500. I know I said before you could go for an FX-53 (which makes me look hypocritical now), but $250 is a lot to pay for 200MHz difference, which will probably only be around 100MHz if you overclock (meaning the 3500 will overclock better). It's up to you, opf course, but going cheaper on the processor isn't totally out of the question. The point of a socket 939 system is to have upgradability (you could get much better performance on a socket 754 system for less money), so you can always get a 3500 now and maybe upgrade later when you want more speed. That motherboard should last you until PCI-E becomes the standard and AGP becomes insufficient for high-end video cards, which could be anywhere from two to four years.

    Whatver you do, this will be one awesome system for gaming and multimedia. I'd kill to be in your postion.

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    well either way you want to look at it im goign with the 3800, and im keeping the case the only reason i mentioned the other power supply was cuz it had more watts. and ill go with the crucial you showed me the second time just let me knwo how to overclock. and ill go with the thermotake power supply the only thing im worried about though is when i do add the extra memory (up to 2gb) and the other 200gb hard drive and whatever other upgrading i do, thats the main ones for now, that my power supply wont be able to supply the watts i need. and i plan on selling hte psu, i dont know for how much yet but i do plan on selling it or trading it for some cables and what not. and new egg no longer offers the keyboard im wanting so im going with tigerdirect for the keyboard. the rest is basically what ive showed before with a few exceptions for the links cuz the links have changed, and the processor is going to be the retail version instead of the oem just for the warranty (a three year warranty for around $25 bucks). thanks again. i hope this computer works fine and will let you know when i do build it and how everythign goes together. if i have any problems ill let you know. if you find anythign better make sure you let me know cuz like i said i wont be ordering for atleast another week maybe two.

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