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  1. #11
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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    Total- 1218…This is a good price I guess, I wouldn’t mind going lower, but its alright. So the few questions I have left are if I need to purchase any additional cables and such in order to construct this thing. Also, I would like to OC if necessary, not a whole lot, but do I have enough cooling with this set up?
    Or if I get a 3200 or 3000 and OC it, will the performance be comparable to this set up normally? Sorry for all these questions..i’m just trying to save some money =D

    Case- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...156-018&depa=0
    RAIDMAX Black 10-bay Case – 26.00
    Mobo- http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...130-468&depa=0
    MSI "K8N Neo2 Platinum" NVIDIA nForce3 ULTRA Chipset Motherboard – 131.00 (BACKORDER)
    Processor- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...103-463&depa=0
    AMD Athlon 64 3500+, 512K, L2 Cache, Windows Compatible 64-bit Processor 939 Pin – 287.00
    Vid Card- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...130-202&depa=0
    eVGA nVIDIA GeForce 6800 Video Card, 128MB GDDR, 256-bit, DVI/TV-Out, 8X AGP – 285.00
    RAM – http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...145-450&depa=0
    Corsair XMS Extreme Memory Speed Series, (Twin Pack) 184 Pin 1GB(512MBx2) DDR PC-3200
    -Will this run in Dual Channel? – 220.00
    Floppy - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...104-101&depa=0
    Mitsumi Black 1.44MB 3.5inch Floppy Disk Drive 11.00
    Hard Drive - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...148-019&depa=0
    Seagate 80GB 7200RPM SATA Hard Drive OEM – 72.00
    -Do I need to purchase SATA cables?
    DVD-Rom – http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...101-124&depa=0
    SONY Black 16X DVD-ROM Drive – 25.00
    OS- http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...102-151&depa=0
    Windows XP home
    Power Supply - http://www.newegg.com/app/viewProduc...153-009&depa=0
    Thermaltake W0010 Silent Purepower 480W with Black housing - Xaser Edition ATX 2-Fan

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    I would suggest you get a 3200 and overclock it, but it's currently out of stock and isn't much cheaper than a 3500. The thing is, the 3000 and 3200 will be guaranteed to be 90nm Winchester cores, while there's a good chance that the 3500 will come with a 130nm Newcastle core. You wan't the 90nm for overclocking and performance purposes. I'd suggest you either wait for the 3200 to come back in stock and possibly drop in price, getting it along with a nice HSF and Arctic siler 5, or you just get the retail 3500. You could get a 3000 with nice cooling, but you probably won't get too much past 2.2GHz, which kind of defeats the purpose since the 3500 is 2.2.GHz at stock. A 3200 with cooling could probably beat a 3500 with bad cooling, but the 3000 probably won't. You could also get better cooling for your 3500 later, and just get the retail package now. I'd probably do that in your situation.

    Any two identical sticks of RAM will run in dual-channel mode. You are getting a pack of two, so yes, they will run in dual-channel mode. It's pretty good RAM, too. It would be another $40 to make a significant upgrade in RAM, so I'd say that Corsair is a a good choice.

    As you'll see if you look at the pictures on Newegg's web site, the MSI K8N Neo2 Platinum comes with SATA cables, so no, you won't need any.

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    Ok well let's assume I OC a 3200, how much more cooling do I need to get? I also have no experience with OCing and cooling so I assume its pretty easy. I know that it raises the temp. and that can be bad, but cooling helps, how much of a jump would seem reasonable for someone like me with a 3200.

    If I can find a 3200 soon and the price doesnt go up much I will, otherwise I'm gonna just go with the 3500 because I have to make a decision (relatively) soon.

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    You would need, at the least, a good HSF (the one I found doesn't claim to to fit on socket 939, but it should, and it's one of the best air coolers there is) and Arctic Silver 5. That will be anywhere from $30 to $50 alone. Another two case fans would be good (one for the front and one for the back, on top of the two side panel that come with the case), too, although it won't be necessary. That could be anywhere from $5 to $40, depending on the quality of the fans.

    In this Anandtech article, they got the 3000 to 2.6GHz using the Thermaltake K8 Silent boost. That was using voltages I'd suggest you stay away from (I'd make an educated guess that running 1.8V through an A64 would reduce processor life enough to make you think twice). Assuming you got the same cooler and Arctic Silver 5, I'd say 2.4GHz might be attainable for you. If not, it could almost certainly make 2.2GHz.

    You should understand the risks of overclocking, however.

    You void the warranty on your CPU, and sometimes motherboard and RAM by overclocking.
    You can burn out the processor by overclocking.
    You can seriously reduce the length of a processor life by overclocking.
    You can't be guaranteed any set speed with any hardware just because that's what other get.

    That said, it should still be pretty safe if you go about doing it in a smart way. Keep the voltage under the recommended safe level (I'll go find what that is for 90nm CPUs), keep temps in the 40s at idle and the 50s at load.

    I think I might get a 3000, a nice HSF such as that Thermaltake, some Arctic Silver 5, and a few case fans, were I in your situation. It could be a cheaper way to get the same performance as the 3500.
    Last edited by Yawgm0th; 10-31-2004 at 12:30 PM.

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    I would go with the 3000+ 90nm Winchester as it overclocks real well for only $170. It will easily reach at least 3500 speeds and many people have gotten it way past that.

    Thje video card you picked is fine, but you may be able to get a beetter video card (maybe 800GT) with the money you saved by buying a 3000+. The video card you picked is fine if you want to save money though.

    Everythign else is fine but you may want to get XP Pro rather then Home. It has way more feutures.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=diffe...utf-8&oe=utf-8

    And overclocking is not hard and you will not burn out your processor if you are patient and use common sense. Just make sure to test for stability and watch yoiur temps and you won't have any problems. The only downfall to overclocking if you are pateint and use common sense is that you will void your warranty.

    So for overclocking I would definetely pick up a 3000+ s939 90nm Winchester, Thermalright XP-90 and that Sunon fan i suggested to put on the heatsink

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    Like I said in this thread and the other with a similar system, the Thermalright XP-90 and XP-120 are great, but mostly unecessary. If you want to overclock further, they're great (although expensive), but you're going to have to run so much voltage through the processor that it will significantly reduce life span.

    Also, what kind of sound setup were you looking at? Surround sound? Regular stereo speakers? Something you already have?

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    I would thoroughly love to buy XP pro and the 6800 GT, but the price increase is a little too much. If I go 3000 and OC I might be able to, but then I would have to purcase some additional stuff too.

    Now let me see if I get this straight. I get a 3000, and I plan on OCing it (too at least 2.2 ghz, which I assume is quite doable). In order to maintain temps I need a HS. Yawg, were you talking about the XP-90 or this one http://www.newegg.com/app/ViewProduc...106-036&depa=0
    Also I will need that Arctic cooler stuff, is that easy to apply? And if I do apply it, would it make it harder to upgrade the processor later if I want to?

    If the price drop is enough from going too the 3000 and some cooling, I may be able to get a 6800 GT instead of the 6800.

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    Eh..I forgot to mention that I have a sound system from my old comp that I am just gonna use. Not sure what it is exactly but it works fine

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    The XP-90 is very good but Yawg is probally right when he said it won't be needed so the one you linked to would be perfect. And you can check out Arctic Silvers website for intructions on applying it (search google)

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    Default Re: Please help me with building first computer!

    Arctic Silver is easy to apply and it won't make things harder in the future in any way. And the SilentBoost should be able to get you to 2.2GHz easily, so I'd just get that in your position.

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