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    Default Re: What do you think of Athlon 64 this system?

    3d rendering certainly needs more bandwidth, and now that PCI-E is around, developers will probably find a way of making use of the additional bandwidth provided by the 16x interface.

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    kool...

    probably won't oc. if at all than prob just a little.

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    Thats why most decent mobos let you lock the bus speed at its spec...most PCI-E cards will have problems if you clocked the bus above the default 100mhz

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    Make the first list a PCI-E 6600GT and a Chaintech VNF4 Ultra and you've got yourself a good machine that'll upgrade well. A 480W PSU and a $20-$40 case will be enough. I'd recommend this specifically, unless you want something that looks nice or is made of stronger material (it's fairly lightweight, and somewhat flimsy because of it).

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    Quote Originally Posted by KoolDrew
    .... As for the rest of your system are you overclocking?
    Haven't ever overclocked any previous systems. May start to experiment a little with this one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    Make the first list a PCI-E 6600GT and a Chaintech VNF4 Ultra and you've got yourself a good machine that'll upgrade well. A 480W PSU and a $20-$40 case will be enough. I'd recommend this specifically, unless you want something that looks nice or is made of stronger material (it's fairly lightweight, and somewhat flimsy because of it).
    Yawg - the mobo you mention is a socket 939 vs the asus being 754. what are the benefits going to be for me going with a socket 939 mobo and cpu instead of 754?

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    The 939 CPU's have built in Dual Channel memory controlers, meaning you dont have to buy an expencive board to have dual channel. Also Nforce4 is not coming out for 754 (well maybe ultra) so you wont be able to use PCIe GPU's in your computer. Also AMD has stoped making any new types of s754 CPU's (heard possablity of more semprons accualy), but if you go with the 939 it will give you the most upgradeable path.

    s754 will proform better than their s939 counterparts, eg A64 3200 s754 proforms better than A64 3200 s939, not by much mind you.
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    Socket 939 is more upgradable, and PCI-E is unavailable for socket 754 and will be for a while longer (I'd give it a month or so). The NF4 and NF4 Ultra chipsets will be seen on socket 754 motherboards, but it defeats the purpose of waiting for PCI-E boards as you kill upgradability with a socket 754 motherboard. There will be no CPUs past the the 3700 that AMD has announced (AFAIK), and the weaker Semprons that will eventually come out for S754 are irrelevant in the scenario.

    As for the architechtural differences... Socket 939 allows for dual-channel RAM, which is impossible on socket 754 (there are no expensive baords you can buy for it...), though that doesn't matter that much. Socket 939 has a 1000MHz (2000MHz effective) HyperTransport bus, while socket 754 has a 800MHz (1600Mhz effective). The newer socket 939 CPUs based on the 90nm Winchester core will also run cooler and overclock better than the Newcastles and Clawhammers of socket 754 (with the exception of the Sempron 3100, which is about the best OCer since the 2.4C).

    In any case, for a system of this budget a socket 754 system wouldn't really make much sense unless it is guaranteed to never have any upgrades on it, in which case socket 754 would make more sense as it provides better bang-for-buck.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Yawgm0th
    Socket 939 is more upgradable, and PCI-E is unavailable for socket 754 and will be for a while longer (I'd give it a month or so). The NF4 and NF4 Ultra chipsets will be seen on socket 754 motherboards, but it defeats the purpose of waiting for PCI-E boards as you kill upgradability with a socket 754 motherboard. There will be no CPUs past the the 3700 that AMD has announced (AFAIK), and the weaker Semprons that will eventually come out for S754 are irrelevant in the scenario.

    As for the architechtural differences... Socket 939 allows for dual-channel RAM, which is impossible on socket 754 (there are no expensive baords you can buy for it...), though that doesn't matter that much. Socket 939 has a 1000MHz (2000MHz effective) HyperTransport bus, while socket 754 has a 800MHz (1600Mhz effective). The newer socket 939 CPUs based on the 90nm Winchester core will also run cooler and overclock better than the Newcastles and Clawhammers of socket 754 (with the exception of the Sempron 3100, which is about the best OCer since the 2.4C).

    In any case, for a system of this budget a socket 754 system wouldn't really make much sense unless it is guaranteed to never have any upgrades on it, in which case socket 754 would make more sense as it provides better bang-for-buck.
    K, so I guess 939 is the way to go. I've also given some consideration to a P4 instead of the Athlon 64. Although I will be gaming, non-gaming performance and multi-tasking is very important to me, and I've heard the P4 is better in that area. If I were to look at a similarly priced P4 (I'd guess around a P4 2.4-2.5 or so), how would the performance (both in games and non-gaming) compare to the Athlon 64 3000+? Any other advantages/disadvantages?

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    Default Re: What do you think of Athlon 64 this system?

    Much slower in gaming, would limit the videocard considerably, and slower overall as it wont have 800FSB or hyperthreading. Frankly a P4 2.5 isnt worth it. my a64 3000 gives me decent performance (better than even a P4 EE in doom 3), and i can always oc if i need more power..theres also cool n quiet, and the 90nm A64s dont produce much heat

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