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    Smile new pc; some input plz!

    I'm gonna buy a new pc in a month, and I have to figure out what monitor to buy, not an LCD or TFT though.. (I've figured out what to put in the pc already);

    Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra-9 nForce 4-4x s939
    Athlon 64 3000+ Venice 0.09 micron
    Arctic Cooling case Silentium T2
    TwinMOS DDR 512 mb/400mhz cl 2.5
    WesternDigital 160 GB SATA2 8mb 7200 rpm
    Palit GFfx5500 128mb

    I was thinking to go for a Hyundai Q770, I've heard they're allright. I'm on a pretty tight budget here though..

    Any input on the PC above is also welcome :)

    (Since I got a feeling that someone will complain about the gfx card: I put in a poor gfx card cuz 1: I don't have much cash, 2: I'm not a hardcore gamer, and 3: I'm planning to upgrade the gfx card for christmas.)

    Chieftec Bravo LBX01-B-B-SL
    580 W Hiper Type-R PSU

    Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 S.939
    AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3000+ at ~2470 MHz
    OCZ Gold EL PC 3700 Ram, 2.5-3-3-8 at ~456 MHz,
    2x512 MiB
    Gigabyte SilentPipe X800XL, 400/490 MHz
    Auzentech Digital X-Mystique 7.1CH DDL-RCE
    Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers
    1 x WD Caviar 8 MiB cache 1600JS-00MHB0 160GiB SATA-2
    3 x WD Caviar SE 16 MiB cache 2500KS-00MJBQ 250GiB SATA-2



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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    You can't get an nForce 4 board and use the old video card... NForce 4 does not support AGP, only PCI-E and PCI, and AFAIK they never made PCI FX5500s. It may be unwise to get an AGP-based board now, especially if it's just to save that card until Christmas. You'd be better off cutting in some areas (your hard drive and case alone are far more expensive than they need to be), selling the FX5500, and getting a cheap PCI-E video card (I'd say a 6200 with handle your needs, and be cheap) along with an nForce 4 ultra motherboard, preferably Chaintech to keep prices low. Chaintech makes inexpensive motherboards that are of good quality.

    You also ought to see if you can get 1GB of RAm. If not, get another stick later.

    But back to your actual question...
    The monitor you're looking at is a terrible purchase. There's nothing wrong with it, except it's max resolution is 1280x1024@60Hz (BTW anything below 72Hz will damage your eyes over time, and 60Hz should irritate them considerably. Even if your a casual gamer, that's rediculous. It won't be much more expensive (if at all) and would be well worth it to get something that supports at least 1280x1204@72Hz+. It would be even better, and still not much more expensive, to get something that supports 1600x1200@72Hz+. If you won't at least go with 1280x1024@72+Hz, you might as well go LCD. Low-end LCDs are cheap enough now that there will be little to no price premium over a CRT with max resolution 1280x1024@60Hz.

    Whatever you get, it'd be good to know what country you're in and where you plan to/are able to/are willing to buy from and how much something costs or a link to it if it's at an online retailer.

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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    Thanks for the input!
    You're right 'bout the gfx card, silly of me.
    What about a Sapphire x300 128mb 128 bit PCI-e? I live in Sweden, but I'm buying this stuff in Poland since I go there once a year (and it's cheaper there), and it seems that ATI cards are cheaper there than nVidia cards.

    I might go for a GeCube X600 Pro 128mb instead, though, since it only costs about 70 PLN more (roughly 27 austrailian dollars, or 20USD), but then I might have to cut back on the harddrive. It's just that the drive I chose is on a discount, and I would only save about 12 AUD, (9 USD) if I'd go for a Samsung 120 gb sata II. Besides, I need the drive space.

    As for the mobo; the one I chose is just about the most expensive one in the store for s939, without SLI of course, (it's an online store, and I'd prefer to buy everything in one place) and I want to be able to upgrade the pc without having to buy a new mobo. I also prefer to overclock my rig, and the GA-K8N has gotten some good reviews in that area, and others for that matter.
    But, for arguments sake, what about Soltec or ASUS? There aren't any chaintech mobos available, only MSI, Soltec, ASUS, Abit and Gigabyte. I was originally gonna buy an Abit mobo, but they only have socket-A, for some strange reason, in this store. And this is the cheapest store I could find. Trust me, I've looked.
    There is one other Gigabyte mobo thats caught my eye; Gigabyte GA-K8NF-9 NForce4-4X S.939. It's 31,5 (23,5 USD) AUD cheaper, It's got PCI-e and nF4. The thing is that the chipset only supports 4x/800 mhz HyperTransport, instead of the normal 5x/1000 mhz. I mean, I didn't go for s939 just to have my Athlon 64 perform as a s754 model. Also, the nF4-4x lacks SATA II/300.

    The only affordable alternative to the AC Silentium t2 (113 AUD, 289 PLN, 84 USD) in the store was a Chieftec BG-01B-B-SL 360 Watt (it costs roughly the same), and I don't want to buy from some unknown manufacturer, with groves that grind down etc (ever heard of Techmaster, ModeCom, Tracer or X-Power? I haven't)
    Last edited by ifander; 07-11-2005 at 10:00 PM.

    Chieftec Bravo LBX01-B-B-SL
    580 W Hiper Type-R PSU

    Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 S.939
    AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3000+ at ~2470 MHz
    OCZ Gold EL PC 3700 Ram, 2.5-3-3-8 at ~456 MHz,
    2x512 MiB
    Gigabyte SilentPipe X800XL, 400/490 MHz
    Auzentech Digital X-Mystique 7.1CH DDL-RCE
    Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers
    1 x WD Caviar 8 MiB cache 1600JS-00MHB0 160GiB SATA-2
    3 x WD Caviar SE 16 MiB cache 2500KS-00MJBQ 250GiB SATA-2



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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    Get the X600. X300s are very poor performers and you'll be taking a singificant step back from where you are now.

    For the hard drive, if you absolutely need the space, go for it. Otherwise, I'd suggest 80GB to save money, if you need to. You could also consider IDE. I don't know the prices of IDE compared to SATA for you, but SATA provides very little performance benefit and you should only consider it if there isn't much of a price premium over IDE.

    Cetainly get Ultra for the board. As I was implying and you said, nForce 4 non-Ultra/SLI has some hurtful limitations. Gigabyte is probably the best brand for you, given those choices, but all of the other brands are very good ones.

    It hadn't occured to me that you would be shopping in that remote of a place, so forget what I said about cutting prices on the case. That will have to do. Here, IMO if you get a case that's more than $45 USD shipped, you've spend a considerable amount of money on it. You can get them for as low as $30 USD, shipped. I'm not sure on what that case would be here, but given the brand I had assumed you were going for a more expensive case. I guess you don't have many choices, though.

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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    I think I'll go with this setup:

    CPU:
    Athlon 64 3000+ Venice s.939 OEM
    Cooler:
    Arctic Cooling Silencer Ultra 64 TC L
    Mobo:
    Gigabyte GA-K8N Ultra 9 nForce 4-4x
    Case:
    Arctic Cooling Case Silentium T2
    Memory:
    TwinMOS DDR 512 MB/400 Mhz CL2.5
    HDD:
    WD 160 GB SATA II 7200 RPM 8MB
    GFX card:
    GeCube X600 PRO 128 MB 128 bit PCI-e
    Monitor:
    AOC HT751 17" 1600x1200 @ 75 hz, 1280x1024 @ 85 hz (15 bucks more, but seems to be worth it)
    or
    Avacs Selena 775F 17" Pure Flat 1280x1024 @ 70 hz, 1024x760 @ 85 hz

    This'll cost me about 765 USD including shipment. Just out of curiosity, is this cheap, or expensive?
    Last edited by ifander; 07-12-2005 at 10:22 PM.

    Chieftec Bravo LBX01-B-B-SL
    580 W Hiper Type-R PSU

    Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 S.939
    AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3000+ at ~2470 MHz
    OCZ Gold EL PC 3700 Ram, 2.5-3-3-8 at ~456 MHz,
    2x512 MiB
    Gigabyte SilentPipe X800XL, 400/490 MHz
    Auzentech Digital X-Mystique 7.1CH DDL-RCE
    Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers
    1 x WD Caviar 8 MiB cache 1600JS-00MHB0 160GiB SATA-2
    3 x WD Caviar SE 16 MiB cache 2500KS-00MJBQ 250GiB SATA-2



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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    Significantly, though not hugely overpriced for the United States (we get the cheapest computer hardware by far), but if I didn't know otherwise, I'd believe it were a conversion from Canadian, Australian, or U.K., who come all come next to the U.S. in hardware cheapness, probably in that order. Given where you are, I'd say that's very good.

    But your missing something: the power supply. Even if that case comes with a PSU, it will have to be 24-pin, high-quality (no idea if Arctic Cooling give good PSUs with their cases), and fairly high-wattage (like 450 or so, depending on the quality.


    Certainly get that monitor. For $15, it's well worth it.

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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    The case includes a "Seasonic/ARCTIC, active PFC 450 Watt peak / 350 Watt continuous Power". The amperages: +3.3V = 28A, +5V = 30A, +12V = 17A. Is this enough, or should it be 400 watt minimum and/or higher amperage on the +12v line?

    Does the x600 pro requier a 6 pin PCI-e power connection?

    As for the mobo power connection; the K8N Ultra 9 only has a 4 pin 12V and a 20 pin connection.
    Last edited by ifander; 07-13-2005 at 04:58 PM.

    Chieftec Bravo LBX01-B-B-SL
    580 W Hiper Type-R PSU

    Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 S.939
    AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3000+ at ~2470 MHz
    OCZ Gold EL PC 3700 Ram, 2.5-3-3-8 at ~456 MHz,
    2x512 MiB
    Gigabyte SilentPipe X800XL, 400/490 MHz
    Auzentech Digital X-Mystique 7.1CH DDL-RCE
    Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers
    1 x WD Caviar 8 MiB cache 1600JS-00MHB0 160GiB SATA-2
    3 x WD Caviar SE 16 MiB cache 2500KS-00MJBQ 250GiB SATA-2



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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    That PSU will most likely be fine at stock, but if you are overclocking look into a different PSU. I would look into getting a Fortron 500w Blue Storm.

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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    I agree woth what KoolDrew said, though I'd be amazed if you get both find and afford a fortron 500W. Something along the lines of a 480-520W from a good company will do, if you choose to overclock, that is. With the current system that case PSU will probably be sufficient.

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    Default Re: new pc; some input plz!

    One prob though; one can't replace the PSU in the Silentium cases, they're specifically designed for those cases. So I'll buy a Chieftec LBX-01B-B-SL case instead, with an included 350-410 watt PSU, and replace the PSU when nessecery.

    Chieftec Bravo LBX01-B-B-SL
    580 W Hiper Type-R PSU

    Gigabyte GA-K8NXP-9 S.939
    AMD Athlon 64 Venice 3000+ at ~2470 MHz
    OCZ Gold EL PC 3700 Ram, 2.5-3-3-8 at ~456 MHz,
    2x512 MiB
    Gigabyte SilentPipe X800XL, 400/490 MHz
    Auzentech Digital X-Mystique 7.1CH DDL-RCE
    Logitech Z-5500 5.1 speakers
    1 x WD Caviar 8 MiB cache 1600JS-00MHB0 160GiB SATA-2
    3 x WD Caviar SE 16 MiB cache 2500KS-00MJBQ 250GiB SATA-2



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