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  1. #21
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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    If you're going to be overclocking you will need a 500W PSU. For a regular system, a high-quality 420-460W with good 12v rails is all that you need. For overclocking, you need more than just good rails; you need the extra wattage. The quality of the PSU is almost always easy to determine based entirely on brand, Seasonic being a brand I would trust without question. A 430W PSU will do the job as your friend said, but you said earlier you want the overclockability to be there, and it won't be if you get a 430W power supply. Maybe a 480W would be safe, but definitely not a 430W. Also, make sure you're getting an ATX 12v 2.0 PSU, meaning it will have a 24-pin power connector and dual 12V rails. If money is a big issue, try eBay.

    I kind of the like the cooling on this one. It's cheap, has a 120mm exhaust, something in the front, and a CPU duct, by the looks of it. It should get the job done, and it's one of the cheaper cases. It's way too expensive by USD standards, but based on the prices of the other cases, I'd say it's a good bet EURO. I certainly wouldn't spend more than €40 on a case.

    I haven't checked out what EURO values the processors are changing to, but X2 3800s are supposed to go from $295 USD to $165 over the course of a day. Now your average online retailer isn't going to do this immediately, but the price will usually drop within a couple weeks, and it might slowly go down as time passes.

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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    I will never understand the concept of building a $1000US+ PC and spending as little as possible on the power supply. Do you realize that if/when a cheap or underpowered power supply gives out it almost always takes out other parts of the system? Why would you want to buy the cheapest one possible when if you upgrade 6 months from now it will be too weak to use? You save $40 now, but have to spend $100 later to upgrade the power supply. To end this rant, you get what you pay for. A cheap power supply is never ever a good idea and anyone that tells you otherwise is a fool.
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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    Ok, this is settled then. I'm going to buy the 500W Seasonic version.
    I may spend 30Euro more on the PSU but getting a case for 39EURO
    (such as the one you liked - looks good, not to flashy, not a beige
    monstrosity either ) leaves a lot more room for such things.

    I guess I'll wait a few more days and maybe try to contact Alternate
    via my friend's connection. They should know if they'll adapt the prices
    in the course of next few weeks.

    And thank you so much again - it's unbeliebable how much care
    goes into your postings.

    Quote Originally Posted by casecutter
    I will never understand the concept of building a $1000US+ PC and spending as little as possible on the power supply. Do you realize that if/when a cheap or underpowered power supply gives out it almost always takes out other parts of the system? Why would you want to buy the cheapest one possible when if you upgrade 6 months from now it will be too weak to use? You save $40 now, but have to spend $100 later to upgrade the power supply. To end this rant, you get what you pay for. A cheap power supply is never ever a good idea and anyone that tells you otherwise is a fool.
    <= Point taken :-)
    Last edited by Fae; 07-23-2006 at 01:14 AM.

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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    I just saw something that I have (unfortunately) overlooked
    up till now... I have 2 IDE harddrives and 2 optical drives...
    all the motherboards today (especially the MSI one I had
    picked) feature only 1 IDE line... only 2 drives.

    Is there any way to connect IDE via SATA or something
    like that?

    If not it's ok because my roommate would buy the IDE
    hd from me and I would get myself a decent SATA hd.
    Any suggestions on that one?

    Update:

    Just checked prices at Alternate and ... wow! 300GB
    for roughly 100Euro?? I guess I'll buy one ^^
    Only have to figure out which one...

    btw: switched from MSI K9N Platinum to
    Asus M2N-E - hope it's a good choice?
    Last edited by Fae; 07-23-2006 at 04:56 AM.

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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    Make sure you stay away from Maxtor. SOme people have had nothing but good luck with them, but most stories I've heard are bad.

    Try to stick to Western Digital or Seagate if possable, much better hard drives.

    maxtor has been bought by Seagate, but there still may be older drives floating about that you dont want to get your hands on.
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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    The search is over (kinda :-P), here are the end results:

    AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ (OPGA, "Brisbane")
    Art.-Nr.: HEEA04
    169,-* [166 EURO]

    Arctic-Cooling Freezer 64 Pro
    Art.-Nr.: HXLC02
    16,-* [15 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    Sunbeam Silent Twister (silver / black)
    Art.-Nr.: TQXB01
    59,-* [46 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    Samsung SP2504C (SpinPoint P120)
    Art.-Nr.: A9BU05
    69,-* [67,50 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    Seasonic S12-430HB (black)
    Art.-Nr.: TN4E60
    69,-* [63,50 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    EVGA GeForce 7900GT KO (Retail, TV-Out, 2x DVI)
    Art.-Nr.: JAXZN5
    289,-* [288 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    Asus M2N-E (Sound, Gigabit-LAN, SATA2 RAID)
    Art.-Nr.: GEEA04
    94,-* [84,50 EURO]
    ------------------------------------
    G.E.I.L. DIMM 2 GB DDR2-667 Kit (GX22GB5300LDC)
    Art.-Nr.: IBIE8A
    174,-* [156 EURO]

    The first price is the original one, the one in brackets is the one
    with the discount substracted. So it adds up to 886,5 EURO instead
    of 939 EURO - at least something. And I won't have to pay for
    transport.

    Any last minute changes?


    And:
    Quote Originally Posted by Amd_Lover2004
    Make sure you stay away from Maxtor. SOme people have had nothing but good luck with them, but most stories I've heard are bad...
    Yep! Had 2 Maxtor HDs, both shipwrecked before the warranty run out
    (thankfully..) - won't get those anymore. The Samsung one seems to
    be good, read some nice reviews. Pretty fast and stable.
    Last edited by Fae; 07-24-2006 at 09:30 PM.

  7. Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    Hold on, I thought that you were going for a 500w psu? A 430w model is not going to hold in this circumstance. I hope this is a misprint or something.

    Secondly, I would go with a Seagate or Western Digital HD. I have had great luck with both of them.

    I hope this helps, but do change that power supply.

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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    the samsung drive is great ive bought two of them for friends and they are pretty quiet, and very fast for what they are.
    System Specs:
    AMD athlon 64 3200 venice @ 2.4ghz
    Asrock Dual-939SATA2
    Sapphire Radeon X800GTO2 chip r430 @ 480mhz core/540mhz mem with 1.6v vcore
    1gb Corsair XMS TwinX PC3200 timings 2-3-3-6 at 400mhz
    250gb Hitatchi deskstar T7K500 SATAII disk
    160gb samsung spinpoint PATA disk
    Asus 1608P2 DVD+/-RW Dual Layer
    Unbranded 500W PSU single 17A rail
    Innovatek and Asetek Watercooling (triple fan radiator)
    LOTS OF METAL

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    Default Re: Need help / clarification regarding hardware config

    Quote Originally Posted by PorscheGuy997@yahoo.com
    Hold on, I thought that you were going for a 500w psu? A 430w model is not going to hold in this circumstance. I hope this is a misprint or something.

    Secondly, I would go with a Seagate or Western Digital HD. I have had great luck with both of them.

    I hope this helps, but do change that power supply.
    I would go with a mor juicy PSU also, no upgradability without power.
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