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    Default Decided to start from scratch.

    I have decided to go all out...and get a new system complately. I will be selling my current computer and that should make up for some of the costs.

    Feel free to constructively critique my setup. Anyway, here goes:

    CHENMING ATX Full Tower Computer Case
    EPoX EP-MF4ULTRA-3 Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce4 Ultra AMD Mobo
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz
    GeIL 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit
    HIS Hightech Radeon X1950PRO 512MB GDDR3 ( Core @ 620MHz/ Memory 1480MHz/ 12 Pixel Pipelines)
    Seagate Barracuda 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    With the 420W ThermalTake PSU I already own.

    Comes out a little less than 1,000 dollars; without an OS. I am either buying WinXp Pro for 139.99 with a Vista Coupon or Vista Home premium OEM for 109. Leaning towards Xp just becuase of the problems vista is currently having.

    Tell me what you guys think.
    Last edited by FLaCo; 02-21-2007 at 11:04 AM.
    - Damien

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    First off, Intel is my preferred cpu manufacturer, but AM2's are not bad at all. You can choose whatever you want.

    For your video card, again I prefer Nvidia simply because I've used them with good success. Nvidia seems to have less bugs. Currently the 7900GS is a killer deal and will really offer you some power. Or, you could step out on a limb and go all out to get the almighty 8800, but that thing is a beast and you probably won't need all its power.

    Lastly, your psu will not make it. In lower end builds, it would be fine. Why are you spending 1K and not get a really nice psu? A psu is like insurance. I wouldn't push the limits of a 420w psu.

    I agree with your position on Vista. I would love to upgrade, but I want to wait until all the bugs get worked out before I make the jump. XP Pro is doing just fine and I see no real reason to upgrade right now.

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    Thanks porshceguy997...

    Although I am a fan of AMD just because I have been with them since I first built a system on my own back 2001; I am open to the trying anything new.
    The thing is...it is a bit pricey to get a Intel based system going. The E6600 is more than 300 bucks and the PC8500 2gb kit is another 350bucks. That is not including a vidcard 250, PSU 130, INtel boards seem pricer the MSI 975 is 165. It all adds up...The AMD system lets me expand my my HD and lets me play around a bit more.

    On the PSU topic...you're right about that. I was foolish to even think of not grabbing a new one.

    I will def. check out the 7900gs are the similarity priced to the 1950Pro's?
    - Damien

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    If you need some food for thought, check out my current project:

    http://forums.tweaktown.com/showthread.php?t=23502

    Everything except monitor and OS, came out to $1100.

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    Are you overclocking? I think it would be best to grab a different processor and overclock it. A low-end Core 2 Duo + overclockable board would cost under $300 and you'd be able to hit from 2.6 to 2.8GHz on stock intel cooling, or 3.0 to 3.4GHz with a third party cooler.

    There's simply no need for DDR2 800 for an X2. DDR2 667 vs. DDR 2 800 on socket AM2 = less than 2% performance increase in all real-world applications and 0% overclockability increase. If you were getting a low-end Core 2 Duo and overclocking, DDR2 800 would make the most sense, in which case I'd highly recommend G. Skill. That pair does at least 450MHz (DDR2 900) with a minor voltage bump, possibly more, and it's a great price for DDR2 800.
    I'd definitely check out a different video card. You want something mid-range to last for six months before you upgrade to Direct X 10. An X1950 is a pricey solution to that need. You'd be much better off with a lower X1900 or 7900 series card. I'd say $200-$250 would be the best price point for a video card here.

    I'd grab a 550W to 650W PSU for that. You could get away with 500W, but a bigger PSU will mean you can just swap the video card and processor in six to twelve months for DX10 and quad-core and not have any problems.

    Even if you opt not to overclock, get one of the cheaper processors for whichever platform you ultimately decide on. You won't really see much improvement in most games beyond a 2.2GHz X2 or a Core 2 e6300 with a last-gen video card. You're going to want to upgrade to quad-core in 2008, so it makes sense to keep the processor under $200.

    LGA 775 680i, 975, and 965 boards all go to at least quad-core, and AM2 is supposedly forwards compatible with AM3 and may go to octa-core. PCI-E only has minor evolutionary steps to take, and we don't see massive adoption of DDR3 until 2008. My point is, it's quite feasible to build this with upgrading in mind as nothing is coming out for some time that you can't simply throw in there without a complete rebuild.

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    Thanks for the info Yawg...I really appreciate the time you took to post this. That is great info.

    Nice seeing you guys around. Reminds me of way back.
    - Damien

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    This is what I got so far (Currency in US Dollars):

    Intel based system:

    Antec Nine Hundred Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
    GIGABYTE GA-965P-DS3 (122.99)
    HIS Hightech H195PRF512DDN-R Radeon X1950PRO 512MB (209.99)
    Antec True Power Trio TP3-650 ATX12V 650W (129.99)
    Intel Core 2 Duo E6300 Conroe 1.86GHz (184.00)
    G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (169.99)
    SAMSUNG 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write, LightScribe / SATA (44.00)
    Seagate 320GB 3.0SATA (90.00)

    Total comes out to $1096 plus or minus one to two bucks.

    My question on this setup are:
    If I were to use stock cooling for my E6300 should I hold off on the Antec case and use a 49.99 Chenming (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811125471 )? I will be saving 110 bucks. It's the case I use now and keeps my stuff cool enough but I am not overclocking at all right now.

    Secondly, should I just spending 60 dollars more and grab the Dq6 motherboard? Seems to be more overclocking oriented and has SLI.

    I acknowledged what Yawg said and understand the fact that there is no point in grabbing a video card that is too expensive if upgrading to DX10 cards is just around the corner. Although, I did see a 7900GS for 184.99 bucks it was out of stock and this is the second thing that popped up. 209.99 for a 1950 Pro i think is a very good deal (or am I wrong). You guys still suggest to wait out and grab the 7900GS when it's back in inventory?

    Lastly, will there be a performance boost with PC8500 on an C2D system? Or a bottle neck of some sort with DDR2 800?

    AMD based system:
    CHENMING 601AW-F-0 Beige (49.99) The beige doesn't bother me.
    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 320 3.0 SATA (90.00)
    GIGABYTE GA-M57SLI-S4 nForce 570 SLI (116.99)
    Antec True Power Trio 650W (129.99)
    G.SKILL 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (169.99) The DDR2667 is actually more expensive than DDR2800.
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5200+ Windsor 2.6GHz (219.99)
    Same 1950 Pro video card (209.99)

    AMD rig comes out to 975 or so. Seems like the Intel based system is a better buy. Even better if I remove the Antec case and use the good ol' Chenming and remove the optical drive. That is 160 dollars of savings and will bring the grand total to $930 (more or less); for an Intel system.

    Again, excuse the ignorance and thanks to all that help. I really appreciate the time taken.
    Last edited by FLaCo; 02-26-2007 at 10:35 PM.
    - Damien

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    I wouldn't be too concerned about DX10 cards - you still have to wait untill any DX10 games come out, let alone the cards

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    I wouldn't pay more than $50 for a case, especially in a system on this budget. I'd get the Chenming and grab a third-party CPU cooler instead of the Antec.

    Current DX10 cards are great, but getting the card you're looking at and upgrading in three to twelve months for DX10 games makes more sense economically. I don't regret getting my 8800GTS, but I make a lot of money given that I only pay for a car and insurance.

    Lightscribe isn't very good IMO, and it's extremely slow and not all that impressive. A dual-layer DVD burner is very useful IMO. I'd highly recommend a Pioneer 111 if you're actually going to be burning DVDs. If not, I'd cut costs and get a ~$25 DVD-ROM/CD-RW drive.

    DDR2 800 is about all you need for an LGA775 system. You will get some performance boost for going with faster, but it really wouldn't justify the cost. It would be more effective to get a faster or secondary hard drive, an E6600, or an 8800 series card using the money that could be spent on faster RAM.

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    Default Re: Decided to start from scratch.

    Those Chenming cases are beasts, I've got one and I LOVE it!

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